[RichardInCA]

I see what you’re saying OHV - my switches are matt in appearance, but don’t feel cheap. Again, it feels as though this is spec more than quality. I’ve not seen any 5 series spec’d out with the home theater screen that this one has from the 7 series, but there’s no info on that YouTube to add context.

I’m still in the same camp that there’s a low quality narrative that doesn’t quite match my experience or some others like PsychDoc. Not that it matters - we’re all just usernames on the internet - but it does feel as though this is likely being blown out of proportion for the majority of drivers.

[OHV_44]

I like the 5 Series too and, as you know, ordered it. Coming around March.
But we must not overlook the fact that Munich has already simplified quite a bit compared to the G30. To put it diplomatically.

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

But we must not overlook the fact that Munich has already simplified quite a bit compared to the G30.

Again, I must respectfully disagree. With one or two really inconsequential exceptions, I think the interior quality of the G60 is easily on par with that of the G30. Aesthetically it's in an entirely different league. I particularly like the new lighting treatment - both headlights and rear lights in the new car.

Now if we wanted to compare the exterior of the two cars I'd be the first to admit that the G30 is much more visually pleasing and coherent looking, particularly from the front.

A couple of things I really don't like about the exterior design of the G60 are the awkward integration of the top and bottom design of the front grill and lower air intakes as well as the weird chrome L-shaped bits on the bottom portion of the rear of the non-M sport cars. I almost went with the M-sport package just because of this latter issue, but I really didn't want the firmer sport suspension.
As several others, both here and in the auto press have pointed out, I think darker colors generally look better on the G60.
I just don't see any indication of cost cutting or use of inferior materials in the move from the G30 to the G60.

[G35c6MT]

I’ve had my i5 M60 since early November. Compared to the LCI M550, here’s where it’s a step down (there’s another thread with a similar list):

As of now and this may change with future options:

- no comfort access for rear doors
- door pockets not felt-lined
- exposed rear cup holders
- no left side pocket in the dash for small items (was great for a wallet)
- cheap feeling window switches
- seat articulation
- rear seat pockets
- cheaper feeling comfort seats. Even with merino there are some spots where the cloth on the sides is reachable (bottom cushion)
- no leather dash
- no alcanatara headliner

My issue is these are relatively minor things that have a major impact on the perception of quality and BMW NA definitely decontented the car compared to the G30 or Chinese G60.

[OHV_44]

I'll quote from another BMW forum:

B&W G60: 655W
B&W G30: 1400W
B&O F10: 1200W

H/K G60: 205W
H/K G30: 600W
H/K F10: 600W

Laser lights Iconic G60: No
Laser lights Iconic G30: Yes
Laser lights Iconic F10: No (but they had some amazing looking Adaptive LEDs)

Night vision G60: No
Night vision G30: Yes
Night vision F10: Yes

Auto dim mirror for passenger side G60: No
Auto dim mirror for passenger side G30: No
Auto dim mirror for passenger side F10: Yes

Leather dashboard G60: No
Leather dashboard G30: Yes
Leather dashboard F10: Yes

Leather on top of door panels G60: No
Leather on top of door panels G30: Yes
Leather on top of door panels F10: Yes

Leather on the lower part of the door panels G60: No
Leather on the lower part of the door panels G30: No
Leather on the lower part of the door panels F10: Yes

18-ways comfort seats G60: No
18-ways comfort seats G30: Yes
18-ways comfort seats F10: Yes

Soft close doors G60: No
Soft close doors G30: Yes
Soft close doors F10: Yes

Rear seat entertainment G60: No
Rear seat entertainment G30: Yes
Rear seat entertainment F10: Yes

Cover for the sun roof G60: Thin, non isolating fabric
Cover for the sun roof G30: Fabric on thick plate (thin fabric for G31)
Cover for the sun roof F10: Fabric on thick plate (thick plate on the F11 as well)

Door pockets G60: Fresh plastic rattling
Door pockets G30: Fresh plastic rattling
Door pockets F10: Fabric with no rattling

Maybe they will introduce this later.
Sorry.

[Scrapula]

I never cared for the looks of the F10 inside or out. The G30 was very nice, but I didn’t fall in love with it, like I did the G60. For me, a car has to stir my soul. If I was just interested in luxury features, I would have kept my Jaguar. But, sedate and refined doesn’t mean exciting. The G60 looks sporty and aggressive. I think that carries forward to the interior.

I do wish there would’ve been a stereo upgrade to the Diamond B&W. But, I’m good with everything else.

[PsychDoc]

OK, let's take a look at what the G60 has which is either standard or available that was either unavailable or an expensive option on the G30.

Remote parking - standard
Remote start - standard
Ventilated seats - available for G60
Power tailgate - standard
Fully autonomous driving - available
Apple car play and Android auto - standard
Interior camera - available
Ability to program seat warmer/heated steering wheel based on outside temperature - standard
Digital key - standard
B58 engine with 40 more hp and 3mpg better mileage than the B58 in the G30.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something but these are significant areas of improvement vs things like no felt in storage bins, etc.

[G35c6MT]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

OK, let's take a look at what the G60 has which is either standard or available that was either unavailable or an expensive option on the G30.

Remote parking - standard
Remote start - standard
Ventilated seats - available for G60
Power tailgate - standard
Fully autonomous driving - available
Apple car play and Android auto - standard
Interior camera - available
Ability to program seat warmer/heated steering wheel based on outside temperature - standard
Digital key - standard
B58 engine with 40 more hp and 3mpg better mileage than the B58 in the G30.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something but these are significant areas of improvement vs things like no felt in storage bins, etc.

I was comparing a loaded M550 to a loaded i5 M60. G60 comes up short in many areas you would expect to become the baseline on the newer car.

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

For me, a car has to stir my soul. If I was just interested in luxury features, I would have kept my Jaguar. But, sedate and refined doesn’t mean exciting. The G60 looks sporty and aggressive.

Well put. I agree, when I look at a car it has to have an interesting "something" about it for me to want it. As much as I look at and compare all the stats and features, it is still partly an emotional decision for me.

[COBodom]

I test drove both EV flavors and the 530 multiple times.

I have a G60 540 on order. I am still on the fence though. I like the exterior design, however interior feels cheaper and it is cheaper, there is no if or but about it. Check the door cards, the bottom part is 100% hard plastic, then go ahead and check the doors in the G30, night and day !

Bunch of other things have already been mentioned here so I wont repeat. However, the door sills and no comfort access on all four doors are my absolute pet peeve. When I first saw the G60 reviews and absence of these two features I thought I was looking at some kinda early\pre-prod car, sadly I was not. While I fully get the phone access, the proximity access and all that jazz (which BTW G30 also has), its borderline insulting to the customer to remove these basic features from a luxury ride. I am lost where BMW logic is.

G60 feels like whatever was programmatically doable, they have done it there, but whatever required physical stuff, texture, materials they decided to...well..."streamline" the production.

The story how G60 is now bringing bunch of stuff standard vs G30 doesn't hold water. It is a 2024 model, standards changed.

While I will likely still get the G60 and focus on stuff I like about it, I think the interior quality of the new E-class will be leaps and bounds over the G60. Why I say that? Cause it doesn't take much to get there.

[Scrapula]

Yes, door sills would have been nice. I liked my blue, glowing strips spelling out Jaguar. And the big led circle projected next to the door with the Jaguar leaper logo, welcoming me into the car. It really couldn’t have cost more than $10 for those features. I think even Mustangs have the led logo ground illumination.

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by COBodom

I test drove both EV flavors and the 530 multiple times.

I have a G60 540 on order. I am still on the fence though. I like the exterior design, however interior feels cheaper and it is cheaper, there is no if or but about it. Check the door cards, the bottom part is 100% hard plastic, then go ahead and check the doors in the G30, night and day !

Bunch of other things have already been mentioned here so I wont repeat. However, the door sills and no comfort access on all four doors are my absolute pet peeve. When I first saw the G60 reviews and absence of these two features I thought I was looking at some kinda early\pre-prod car, sadly I was not. While I fully get the phone access, the proximity access and all that jazz (which BTW G30 also has), its borderline insulting to the customer to remove these basic features from a luxury ride. I am lost where BMW logic is.

G60 feels like whatever was programmatically doable, they have done it there, but whatever required physical stuff, texture, materials they decided to...well..."streamline" the production.

The story how G60 is now bringing bunch of stuff standard vs G30 doesn't hold water. It is a 2024 model, standards changed.

While I will likely still get the G60 and focus on stuff I like about it, I think the interior quality of the new E-class will be leaps and bounds over the G60. Why I say that? Cause it doesn't take much to get there.

Wouldn't you then be better served by the MB W214 E450?
Not really understanding why you're still in the market for a G60 in view of your perceptions of its many shortcomings.

[PsychDoc]

Oh, and I remembered another two things the G60 has as standard equipment that were unavailable in the G30 - - lighted door handles and puddle lamps.

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

Wouldn't you then be better served by the MB W214 E450?
Not really understanding why you're still in the market for a G60 in view of your perceptions of its many shortcomings.

That was my original idea, x-shop against Benz, but W214 is still nowhere to be found in US showrooms.

I lease and I am already extending.

[alewifebp]

I've been driving my i5 M60 for almost a month at this point. I came from a G05 X5 M50i and previous to that, had a G30 540i. And F10s before that.

The G60 has absolutely cheapened out on some parts. Most are very minor. For those that are anal about these kinds of things, it sticks out like a sore thumb. I would have gladly paid extra for the leather dash, just like I did with the G30 because the dash looked kind of cheap in that. I also remember having very pointed discussions about the lack of touchscreen climate control like they had in other markets in the G30. And coincidentally, the lack of 4 zone climate control. And, the general confusion about what exactly they mean by comfort/luxury/sport seats, and what combination of options triggers you to get what. The F10 had a massaging seat, if you would call it that. I do miss massaging seats the most from previous car. Well, what's old is new again.

PsychDoc makes a good point about what is now available or standard. The more basic stop and go now standard. Obviously the other tech too, although that's kind of the state of change in the market.

Now, having said all of that, this has been the most engaging 5er I've had. While the tech is perhaps a little over the top in some cases, it really gels together very well. Steering is kind of sloppy, but when I'm taking turns and flooring it, it really gets you going. And isn't even punishing in ride. The interaction bar is a cool touch. And while I've not had an opportunity to take the i5 on the Nurburgring like I was able to with the G30 and F10, I'd have to imagine it would perform very well.

[OHV_44]

In Dingolfing they simply forgot the beautiful seams on the steering wheel (airbag module) on the G60.
But I'm still looking forward to my 14th BMW.

[ntailor]

Adding one note on the Comfort Access - We have a LCI X7 which came with access on only the front doors. We had no idea that was the case until we got the car. Our previous two BMW's had it on all four. Even the pre-LCI X7 had it on all four doors. It seems BMW decided to go cheap here, to save a couple dollars.

We do use our phones as the key. All 4 doors unlock as we walk up to the car. With this, the lack of having it on the rear doors is mute.

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

B&W G60: 655W
B&W G30: 1400W
B&O F10: 1200W

H/K G60: 205W
H/K G30: 600W
H/K F10: 600W

BTW, as a 40+ year audiophile I'd like to point out that a system's available amplifier output has almost nothing to do with the sound quality of the overall system. A speaker's sensitivity, the amplifier's use of tubes vs. solid state, operating in Class A or Class A/B, speaker driver construction and materials, wiring, crossover points, etc. are all what determines ultimate quality. An amplifier's output wattage is probably one of the most irrelevant and non-contributory specs to reference.

B&W is one of the more revered manufacturers of speakers in the world of high end audio and I sincerely doubt they'd license their name to anyone if the system was, in any way, compromised.

[RJH52]

I think the G60 interior looks much more modern and clean than the previous generation, which I like. I do wish there was the option for a leather dash and the upper part of the doors with stitching like the 7 or previous 5. I think that would make it feel even more premium.

I’m coming from a Toyota though so regardless it’s a step up to what I am currently driving. My car should arrive in a little over a month. Ready for the wait to be over!

[Mac545]

Soft close doors…!!?? Absolutely THE most pointless thing.

I mean, if you can’t even shut a door with your own strength, then how the hell you gonna turn the steering wheel! 🤷🏼*♂️

[G35c6MT]

Originally Posted by Mac545

Soft close doors…!!?? Absolutely THE most pointless thing.

I mean, if you can’t even shut a door with your own strength, then how the hell you gonna turn the steering wheel! 🤷🏼*♂️

Soft close doors improve sound isolation since the seal can be thicker and not require additional force to close the door.

[OHV_44]

Originally Posted by Mac545

Soft close doors…!!?? Absolutely THE most pointless thing.

Given the cheap, tinny noise the G60 makes when closing the door, a soft closing would definitely be appropriate.