[MPower10s]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

Basically, you’re gaslighting. A Model Y is as much of a wagon as an X3.

Imo it was a better at being a wagon than the 3 series wagon I also own. Not gaslighting lol.

Anyway I like the way this looks! Would love to get an M5 wagon one day.

[promee]

Originally Posted by note46

Looks like the glass doesn't pop up by itself separate from the rest of the hatch. Kind of disappointed if true. One of the features I really like and use a lot on the F31.

I haven't owned a bimmer wagon before.
This is a feature I'm always looking for. So sad.

[promee]

Originally Posted by g21

i can't understand why it needs such a long front end. what do they put in there? hot air?

To share design with its ICE brothers.

At least should make it a frunk or put extra battery inside.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

An electric station wagon? Maybe 10-15 people in the US would actually purchase one of these.

And I would be one of them. I don’t like SUVs but could use the extra storage space when taking a vacation.

[ErikJ1]

Originally Posted by itsmabs

Just more clues what the m5t will look like. I will say if it goes on sale at 150k, wild that it will make the rs6 the bargain buy. I'm a car addict, but prices are looney these days.

Absolutely....go look at boats if u want to feel better. I just speced out a 17ft er...SEVENTEEN Ft...$70k before tax. 🙃

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

An electric station wagon? Maybe 10-15 people in the US would actually purchase one of these.

I’m one of them.

I had an F31 wagon and left BMW to Polestar. I’m done with ICE.

My lease is up this year, and I’d buy an i5 wagon. I have zero interest in an M5 touring ICE (or hybrid or PHEV)

[KiloCo]

Originally Posted by Deho

Can we please stop with these kinds of comments? If the growing number of users here more interested in EVs and PHEVs kept writing comments like this everytime an ICE car is discussed, we'd be in trouble.

You don't like EVs? Guess what. We don't care. This is a thread to talk about the touring reveal.

I for one I love it and would get one over the sedan any day.

ICE Wagon YES! Electric..NEVER!

"Battery degradation over time. One key disadvantage of electric cars is the battery life. ...
EV Reduce range. ...
In-car electronics failure. ...
Faulty seals lead to leakage. ...
Electric cars catch fire … or do they?"

[spuntyb]

holy shit, BMW actually managed to fuck up a wagon. this looks like garbage!

keeping my G99 deposit for now, hoping the M division makes this palatable…

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

An electric station wagon? Maybe 10-15 people in the US would actually purchase one of these.

Unless you own many Bmw shares I dont get your comment. Don’t buy it just let the others have it.

[Bahram]

Originally Posted by Timevampire

Sorry this wasnt an echochamber for your own opinion. I would hate for someone to be misled into thinking there would be a lot of resale demand for this kind of wagon only to find a sharper depreciation curve.

I have a vested self interest in a higher supply of used combustion fast wagons. Let's make it happen boys.

Do you really think everyone here cares about resale value? There are more things to consider in life than money. A person who cares about resale value can buy a Honda Civic, an excelent choice for money or a 3 years old used car at fraction of a price of a new car. Others, myself included, care more about technology, sustainibility, emissions, saftey,..., for the sake of myself as well as the next generation. I am looking forward to buy one of these or Audi A6 e-Tron, and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. An Audi, or BMW representitive can reach out for a down payment or a full payment for a fully loaded i5 turing/ wagon or A6 e-Tron today for delivery in 2024 in the US.

[Timevampire]

Originally Posted by Bahram

Do you really think everyone here cares about resale value? There are more things to consider in life than money. A person who cares about resale value can buy a Honda Civic, an excelent choice for money or a 3 years old used car at fraction of a price of a new car. Others, myself included, care more about technology, sustainibility, emissions, saftey,..., for the sake of myself as well as the next generation. I am looking forward to buy one of these or Audi A6 e-Tron, and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. An Audi, or BMW representitive can reach out for a down payment or a full payment for a fully loaded i5 turing/ wagon or A6 e-Tron today for delivery in 2024 in the US.

You should watch some YouTube videos about energy production and storage.

I think you will find running ethanol is more sustainable than strip mining the earth for precious metals and charging up on coal power.

[Bahram]

Originally Posted by Timevampire

You should watch some YouTube videos about energy production and storage.

I think you will find running ethanol is more sustainable than strip mining the earth for precious metals and charging up on coal power.

Yes. You are absolutly correct. Science, my engineering degrees, ..., are all BS. Thanks for educating me.

If you are worried about precoius metals, stop watching TV, or using your phone screen and tablets. They are all using precius metals and every couple of years go to landfill so we can brag we have the latest toys someone else has designed and built.

[Nahlem]

Originally Posted by g21

i can't understand why it needs such a long front end. what do they put in there? hot air?

Yes this but probably has something to do with sharing the platform and such stuff.

But have you seen how much stuff is under the hood of the i4 i know when i had it and opened the plastics cover i was like What in the actual F is all this ?

And it seems like the i5 looks more BMW traditionalist then previously maybe the lights are a bit different but i like this more then the sedan, this seems to be the e40 version so the m60 will probably a bit different then the e40, unless they keep it exactly the same sense this one is with the M-Sport package. It also looks like they removed the number 5 from the C pillar that is on the sedan.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Timevampire

You should watch some YouTube videos about energy production and storage.

I think you will find running ethanol is more sustainable than strip mining the earth for precious metals and charging up on coal power.

You do know that BMW uses a wound rotor synchronous motor that requires zero rare earth metals as there is no permanent magnet, unlike other motors like Tesla. You are in a BMW forum. At least be somewhat knowledgeable about the technology that they use.

[Timevampire]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

You do know that BMW uses a wound rotor synchronous motor that requires zero rare earth metals as there is no permanent magnet, unlike other motors like Tesla. You are in a BMW forum. At least be somewhat knowledgeable about the technology that they use.

I was careful with my language. I never mentioned "rare earth" magnets.

[LuisBoston]

I really appreciate all the concern over sourcing of rare materials yet the willful ignorance of the vast impacts caused by a century of wars, political poisoning, and environmental degradation caused by the insatiable appetite for fossil fuels.

If one is so worried about the impact of resource extraction, then one side should not be encouraging the other to drive a different type of car, but instead should be encouraging them to take a train, a bus, a bike, or to walk.

This thread has already devolved with commentary found in many other places, instead of a focus on the tease of the new i5 touring. Is this what will happen with every new electric BMW reveal? For the next 5 years? It’s frankly tiring and distracting; we get it: you hate EVs, but let the rest of us enjoy the positivity of a new wagon reveal. That should be considered a win considering the seeming fate of wagons.

Now BMW: bring this one to America!!

[ChrisM4]

Originally Posted by Bahram

Do you really think everyone here cares about resale value? There are more things to consider in life than money. A person who cares about resale value can buy a Honda Civic, an excelent choice for money or a 3 years old used car at fraction of a price of a new car. Others, myself included, care more about technology, sustainibility, emissions, saftey,..., for the sake of myself as well as the next generation. I am looking forward to buy one of these or Audi A6 e-Tron, and I am ready to put my money where my mouth is. An Audi, or BMW representitive can reach out for a down payment or a full payment for a fully loaded i5 turing/ wagon or A6 e-Tron today for delivery in 2024 in the US.

If you really cared about sustainability you’d drive your existing ICE car into the ground. What do you think happens to your car when you trade it in on an EV? It’s still out there on the road in the hands of another driver.

I’m all for people buying what they want but that reasoning for buying an EV is logically false from an environmental sustainability perspective.

[Rux]

And the weird flex on the BMW forums continues…


Listen, if you are all so damn smart then how do you keep falling for the ICE vs EV troll?



Nice Wagon. Hope they sell a lot of them.

[GOLFFRR]

what happened to the first vid posted? seems to marked as private.

[OHV_44]

Was a leak.
The G61 will not be presented until February. So a little early.

Some pics: https://www.motor-talk.de/bilder/der...210791932.html

[DarkstarZero]

Originally Posted by note46

Looks like the glass doesn't pop up by itself separate from the rest of the hatch. Kind of disappointed if true. One of the features I really like and use a lot on the F31.

If that feature is gone, I might as well get any other wagon. It was the defining characteristic of my f31. I used it multiple times a day. I don't like waiting for an electric tailgate to open when I just need to grab my backpack real quick.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Quadruple VANOS

An electric station wagon? Maybe 10-15 people in the US would actually purchase one of these.

Those XM's are flying off the shelf. $150,000 EV