[AP]

Ride and comfort seem to the highlights of the g60 from all the reviews I’ve read to date

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

There may be mixed opinions on the overall looks of the G60 and the interior appointments but as a vehicle it's supremely smooth and powerful (540xi) and is infinitely superior to the outgoing G30 in its driving dynamics and overall refinement.

Doc I would agree on ride, comfort and refinement, but driving dynamics are better in the G30. And I’ve driven the G60 540iX M Sport twice and it should be better in areas I mentioned based on size and suspension differences. But those same things would also explain why I think driving dynamics aren’t as sharp as the G30, same as every new generation for years. We all have different perceptions and expectations so YMMV. If you like it better that’s what matters.

[ASAP]

recently drove an i5 e40 as a current x3 m40i lci owner... massively impressed by driving experience... there is no chance I'd choose the gas models in this gen... its jusy obvious they were designed as ev's first in mind... only preference would be a more sportt suspension, but all that aside solid car

[Eric500]

These are depreciating at a very fast pace, this will be a great CPO value in a year or so when they're in the 35-40k mark

[540xi Lci]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

I think you need to keep driving your X3.

1. No more sunroof in Germany
2. No rear window opening (G61)
3. No massage seats
4. No more 17-inchers
5. Fewer buttons
6. Goodbye, shifter
7. Ventilation through the joint
8. No more door sills
9. Decorative strips end at the beginning of the doors at the front --> they are completely missing at the back
10. No ambient lighting (LED strips) at the back
11. Cup holder open at the back in the middle rest, the mechanism for opening and closing is missing.
12. The cheap version of the cargo area cover can only be pushed. (G61)
13. No more favorite buttons
14. No independent 5 Series cockpit, no dashboard but only the touch board
15. No halfway decent dashboard display on the touch board
16. The backs of the seats are now completely modeled on a hard-shell suitcase
17. Comfort seats with missing adjustments (top backrest no longer adjustable).
18. No more keyless sensors on the rear doors.
19. No more knee airbag.
20. No more Alcantara headliner.
21. No more exclusive leather package / full leather package.

I had to react to this…
I can see that no one mentions how G60 drives, like you guys didnt drive it?
My G60 have comfort seats and 19’ wheels if it matters anything…
The car drives like on a cloud
Its like they’ve made the car sepperate from the wheels, also sound isolation is 3 times better than g30 Lci.
Going on a longer trip with g30 felt like driving Peugeot 208 or Kia Ceed.
Sound from tyres coming into the cabin was crazy.
G60 is 1000 times better car than G30 for what it is made!
Feels like driving 7 series almost.
1000 km road trip, i dont even feel in these comfy seats. Potholes dont exist almost.
And now most important, i agree about materials and obviously they cut cost but the car feels extremely well built, its like nothing can make sound even when car staying on the sun?
And all this is coming from a guy who hates cheap interiors.
Obviously it doesent feel leatherly like it should and i cant forgive them that they put plastic in door pockets. Like 6k Peugeot. And that they removed soft close option, along with rear door comfort access. They should really shoot someone in the factory, early in the morning.
I dont know about interior… mixed feelings, im mad but than at least no creak sounds coming while driving? Than again i look at door pockets and want to throw up.
The screens and steering wheel give a wow factor when someone sits in the car. Steering wheel is brutally good and modern.
Leather is very very good for a standard leather. Veganza.
+ much more room in the car, much much more space. 7 series space few years ago.
Il probably sell it soon because i want to try 7 series.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by 540xi Lci

I had to react to this…
I can see that no one mentions how G60 drives, like you guys didnt drive it?
My G60 have comfort seats and 19’ wheels if it matters anything…
The car drives like on a cloud
Its like they’ve made the car sepperate from the wheels, also sound isolation is 3 times better than g30 Lci.
Going on a longer trip with g30 felt like driving Peugeot 208 or Kia Ceed.
Sound from tyres coming into the cabin was crazy.
G60 is 1000 times better car than G30 for what it is made!
Feels like driving 7 series almost.
1000 km road trip, i dont even feel in these comfy seats. Potholes dont exist almost.
And now most important, i agree about materials and obviously they cut cost but the car feels extremely well built, its like nothing can make sound even when car staying on the sun?
And all this is coming from a guy who hates cheap interiors.
Obviously it doesent feel leatherly like it should and i cant forgive them that they put plastic in door pockets. Like 6k Peugeot. And that they removed soft close option, along with rear door comfort access. They should really shoot someone in the factory, early in the morning.
I dont know about interior… mixed feelings, im mad but than at least no creak sounds coming while driving? Than again i look at door pockets and want to throw up.
The screens and steering wheel give a wow factor when someone sits in the car. Steering wheel is brutally good and modern.
Leather is very very good for a standard leather. Veganza.
+ much more room in the car, much much more space. 7 series space few years ago.
Il probably [...]

I have to agree the G60 is quite comfortable for interstate travel, even the 540iX in M Sport trim with 20” wheels. However I also have to strongly disagree on the G30 comfort for long trips. I just finished a 1000 mile trip of 15 driving hours over 2 days in my 2019 540i with passive M Sport suspension, non run flat Pilot Sport AS4’s on 19” wheels and nappa leather multi contour comfort seats. It is supremely comfortable, quiet and easy to travel in. It’s definitely business class comfort for a car, and enjoyable to drive

[Eric500]

on the G30, I used to have the adaptive suspension through the dynamic handling package, comfort on that was very good.

The G60 is better in certain circumstances such as ride, but for BMW to give in one area and drastically take in another (interior) while charging quite a bit more is not something I personally like. Maybe we're nitpicking, but this is a BMW and not a base model line either.

To me, it's more about the obvious cost cutting in material quality and features while still charging way more. To be fair, Porsche is an even bigger offender for their 2024-2025 lineups and Mercedes build quality has gone downhill in favor or flashy ambient lightning and more screens. Lexus is not a direct competitor, but they also decided to cost cut into Acura territory with their new refreshes, new gen, and new lines

[Ossian]

Originally Posted by Eric500

on the G30, I used to have the adaptive suspension through the dynamic handling package, comfort on that was very good.

The G60 is better in certain circumstances such as ride, but for BMW to give in one area and drastically take in another (interior) while charging quite a bit more is not something I personally like. Maybe we're nitpicking, but this is a BMW and not a base model line either.

To me, it's more about the obvious cost cutting in material quality and features while still charging way more. To be fair, Porsche is an even bigger offender for their 2024-2025 lineups and Mercedes build quality has gone downhill in favor or flashy ambient lightning and more screens. Lexus is not a direct competitor, but they also decided to cost cut into Acura territory with their new refreshes, new gen, and new lines

I honestly don't think of many of the criticisms people are raising are nitpicks- the G60 has unquestionably taken an interior quality hit and major features have been removed -- and you're right that other manufacturers are following suitI. I absolutely love the ride of my M60, and after a couple of weeks of ownership I don't miss my G30 in the least, but...

I think that the cost-cutting at BMW is potentially becoming a global trade issue, rather than the supply chain problems we saw after Covid. China has basically leapfrogged incumbent automakers by focusing on EV's -- no need to have decades of experience developing ICE cars when many global markets appear to be eager for cheap, simple EV's. China is BMW's largest single market, and they are suddenly facing a new wave of competition -- as well as a heavy reliance on Chinese parts.

Here's an interesting article on how the Chinese have begun to disrupt the EV industry - just like they did in solar and other renewables manufacturing.

https://www.moneymacro.rocks/2023-05...man-car-china/

I'm no economist, but the compromises of the new 5er feel highly out of character for BMW. I think it may be a symptom of scrambling to remain competitive in markets beyond those typically represented on this forum - and BMW is not the only one. Or maybe they have taken a look at the fact that affluent consumers have been willing to put up with horrendous build quality and desolate interiors from Tesla. Maybe they were worried that there was too much crossover with the 7 Series. Whatever the reason, I am worried that this isn't a trend that is going to be reversed any time soon.

I think that the new 5er is definitely compromised from a luxury standpoint vs. the G30, but I feel like it is a big step up in ride - I liked it enough to vote with my wallet, rather than hang on to my perfectly fine G30, but I'll admit I'm uneasy with the direction BMW is going when it comes to decreasing luxury while increasing price -- while I like it and it is comfortable, the M60 cabin is not what I'd expect from a car pushing $100K, but the overall package has put a smile on my face each time I drive it.

[540xi Lci]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

I have to agree the G60 is quite comfortable for interstate travel, even the 540iX in M Sport trim with 20” wheels. However I also have to strongly disagree on the G30 comfort for long trips. I just finished a 1000 mile trip of 15 driving hours over 2 days in my 2019 540i with passive M Sport suspension, non run flat Pilot Sport AS4’s on 19” wheels and nappa leather multi contour comfort seats. It is supremely comfortable, quiet and easy to travel in. It’s definitely business class comfort for a car, and enjoyable to drive

I have to correct myself for G30 bad travel experience, because my car had M5 seat’s from factory and they were not comfy at all after 1 hour drive.
But the noise from the tyres… i cant forgive that

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by 540xi Lci

I have to correct myself for G30 bad travel experience, because my car had M5 seat’s from factory and they were not comfy at all after 1 hour drive.
But the noise from the tyres… i cant forgive that

I bet they were worn run flats on rough roads. That’s always going to be intrusively loud.

[CarlosM4]

I think with the G60, BMW either wants customers to move to the 3er or the 7er.

The 5er is the ugly duck now in the range. It feels way cheaper than the 7er and the previous gen, it has some great tech, but its interface is not as intuitive as in the past. The car still has a nice chassis, but also cheaper than previous gen (with double wishbone aluminium front suspension and aluminium chassis). It is heavier.

A bit of an oddball. In many areas I see vast improvements over the G30 (features, tech, semi autonomous stuff, space inside, seats), other than that, the interior feels way cheaper more like a 1er (compared to the G30), and the car feels far less sophisticated and premium.

I like all the range of powertrain options (and the refinements that came along with the update). I got to drive the I5 M60, it does drive well. But I still prefer the G30 all across the range.

[CarlosM4]

Originally Posted by 540xi Lci

I have to correct myself for G30 bad travel experience, because my car had M5 seat’s from factory and they were not comfy at all after 1 hour drive.
But the noise from the tyres… i cant forgive that

My son has a G30 540i M Sport (passive suspension). Its a masterpiece to ride.

The G60 is more compliant with non M suspension, but only just. The M60 I rode, was way stiffer.

[nick380]

Originally Posted by AP

I’ve mentioned it in anothet thread that I personally think bmw have killed the 5 series this time
I ordered my g30 m550 last year as the spy shots of the to be introduced g60 interior and exterior were being displayed
I am so glad I did, whilst I’ve not driven a g60 I have sat in a few and just feel it is a huge let down in quality and ergonomics
It is so gimmicky now

It’s such a shame

I have seen many reviews that state it has a premium interior, really?

I'm not sure how they define premium. The 530i I had felt good in some spots, terrible in others. ID knob is not premium. Plastic creaky, moves about as you push knob. Door touch buttons were hit and miss to me pressing them each time. Just not what I expect from a car at that price. That's a 530i btw, 65k USD with the option it had. Imagine the same interface now on a 125k+ M5. I would not be happy. If the rev counter lags on the G90 instrument too, I'd be heart broken for future owners on the degraded quality and performance. The ride on mine was extremely soft. Not sure if a 540xi rides that much more planted, but would need to experience it.

I truly believe for how insistent BMW is on putting EVERYTHING into the screen, it better damn well be the best UI designed with intuitive function and ease of use. Not this Android tablet experience stuffed into a car and called good. Sad excuse imo. ID7 atleast had dedicated menus for features, favorite buttons which ease use a ton for quick access functions, and ID7 remembers what options you went into last as well. ID8.5 cannot as each option is it's own app like icon on a wall of icons representing everything the car does. It's like an old person's desktop. Messy and disorganized. Trying to find anything is super hit or miss, and searching for it can be tricky based on wording.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by nick380

I'm not sure how they define premium. The 530i I had felt good in some spots, terrible in others. ID knob is not premium. Plastic creaky, moves about as you push knob. Door touch buttons were hit and miss to me pressing them each time. Just not what I expect from a car at that price. That's a 530i btw, 65k USD with the option it had. Imagine the same interface now on a 125k+ M5. I would not be happy. If the rev counter lags on the G90 instrument too, I'd be heart broken for future owners on the degraded quality and performance. The ride on mine was extremely soft. Not sure if a 540xi rides that much more planted, but would need to experience it.

I truly believe for how insistent BMW is on putting EVERYTHING into the screen, it better damn well be the best UI designed with intuitive function and ease of use. Not this Android tablet experience stuffed into a car and called good. Sad excuse imo. ID7 atleast had dedicated menus for features, favorite buttons which ease use a ton for quick access functions, and ID7 remembers what options you went into last as well. ID8.5 cannot as each option is it's own app like icon on a wall of icons representing everything the car does. It's like an old person's desktop. Messy and disorganized. Trying to find anything is super hit or miss, and searching for it can be tricky based on wording.

You can set favorites. Just press and hold add to favorites. Swipe down from the top of the screen and all your favorites are there. I also set a gesture for things I use often. For example, I point 2 fingers to bring up parking, so I can use the cameras.

As for organization, you can press vehicle or infotainment to narrow down what is on the screen. Once you are done setting your initial drive preferences, you will rarely need to go into vehicle settings. You will rarely use the infotainment as well, unless you are parked and want to watch videos. The musical note brings up all your music choices. Once you set the few things that you need as favorites, you won’t ever need to scroll through iDrive.

[grumpysysad]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

You can set favorites. Just press and hold add to favorites. Swipe down from the top of the screen and all your favorites are there.

You could also use the idrive controller/knob to bring up the favorites without needing to reach out to screen. Just move it back/down from Home screen. Same for changing the view on the Home screen (Navigation/Media/etc).

Usability it's way better than the idrive 7.5 on the X5.

7.5 feels like I'm scrolling through a Blackberry settings and not a modern smartphone interface.

I was concerned at first with the AC/Seat vent control being on the screen, but it does a much better job than the X5, it's set and forget. Also it turns on the seat vent automatically, for both driver and passenger.

AC is way better than the X5, I'm in TX BTW. I'm not sure if the system is improved or because of a smaller air volume than the SUV.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

You can set favorites. Just press and hold add to favorites. Swipe down from the top of the screen and all your favorites are there. I also set a gesture for things I use often. For example, I point 2 fingers to bring up parking, so I can use the cameras.

As for organization, you can press vehicle or infotainment to narrow down what is on the screen. Once you are done setting your initial drive preferences, you will rarely need to go into vehicle settings. You will rarely use the infotainment as well, unless you are parked and want to watch videos. The musical note brings up all your music choices. Once you set the few things that you need as favorites, you won’t ever need to scroll through iDrive.

This is really well said - I feel that I read a lot of complaints and concerns from those who’ve test drove or only just received their G60 and really it’s about the adjustment time required to how to get the most out of a new car and new operating system. Obviously a different topic to the door cards etc, but I’ve found my i5 to be very intuitive as I’ve adapted to the car over time; we forget how long it took to adapt to prior versions of iDrive and such.

[grumpysysad]

Forgot to mention the "shortcut" buttons, drive configuration, seat adjustment, interior light and exterior light that will bring you to the right "app" on the screen.

No need to scroll through the list for those settings.

[Ossian]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

This is really well said - I feel that I read a lot of complaints and concerns from those who’ve test drove or only just received their G60 and really it’s about the adjustment time required to how to get the most out of a new car and new operating system. Obviously a different topic to the door cards etc, but I’ve found my i5 to be very intuitive as I’ve adapted to the car over time; we forget how long it took to adapt to prior versions of iDrive and such.

While I do miss hardware buttons, I've been through so many versions of iDrive and 8.5 is definitely my favorite, especially with the wide screen.

[deutsch100]

Originally Posted by grumpysysad

AC is way better than the X5, I'm in TX BTW. I'm not sure if the system is improved or because of a smaller air volume than the SUV.

My last three X5s had the worst A/C I have ever had in any car, besides from a 1985 Nissan.

The X5 A/C was weak, never seemed cold enough and unless you kept it on Max A/C (and planned on no in car conversation or music)....the X5 could not cool the cabin down. Also, the heat coming from the front glass and roof was unbearable.

i5/G60 ICE A/C is excellent. It is better than iX for sure and even slightly better than the i7!

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by nick380

Completely agree with OP, this is BY FAR the laziest BMW design and engineering I have seen. An absolute embarrassment from a company who has literal decades of experience crafting automotive genius.

Just drove a G60 530i over the long weekend... My F90 is in for a windshield swap. I'm not sure what is going on, but the G60 quite literally looks and feels like a Chinese Knock Off BMW. Everything in my opinion, besides the seats, middle arm, and quality of cameras are just fubar. If this is what the G60 is the G90 is SCREWED! I'm so glad my F90 is the way it is now, won't be leaving my hands anytime soon. I'm the BMW guy that's usually the first to droll over the new stuff. No FOMO this time around, which feels weird as a car guy and BMW enthusiast.

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Idrive Knob feels atrocious now, the entire plastic block it sits in moves and creaks when the knob is pushed left and right. The Knob now only moves 1-2 cm now with the actual feel of the movement leaving a lot to be desired. The rest of the buttons on that haptic pad felt terrible. Like as if someone had gone on Aliexpress and ordered the "OEM" pad from there and installed it in their G60 5 series. Honestly, it does not feel BMW AT ALL.

Touch buttons on the doors are hit and miss when pushing them, if you don't push them just right it wont' activate. Also leaves a lot to be desired in the feels department, just a creaking touch door now. Paired with mouse trap door handles, like seriously BMW does a handle really need to go beyond 90 degrees when actuating and spring load enough to kill a gopher? The window switches feel hollow and cheap plastic. Honestly....the only thing that feels have way decent in this car is the scroll for the volume knob... and that's just sad.

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The Steering wheel controls are also this same ugly singular pad design with each press tilting the plastic pad towards the button. It's lazy, cheap, and for a $71,000 car, completely unacceptable.

Of course, we can't talk about ID8 without mentioning the curved display. Now I don't know if my model has a slower processor than say an i5M60, but WTF is this laggy rev counter????? It visually lags, and it's by far the most puzzling thing to me when my F90's ID7 has no such issue. This is one of the very things that in my opinion has taken a severe step back. The display isn't even centered on the dash, it's tilted upwards quite a bit and very much noticeable while driving. The Dash itself is now a giant plastic wall that sits behind the curved Display. Makes the 5 series feel like you're driving a truck or a boat with how you have to look over the dash, which honestly looks like it sits actually higher than the hood does...

We haven't even talked about the exterior, how the plastics look so cheap and brittle, and how silly the drawn on grille portion on the Lidar tries to blend in with the grille. Ends up looking more and more fake than anything else. This is a 5 Series, it should be built with proper trim pieces and not this cheap almost off-road looking plastic with this odd design pattern that's thrown around everywhere on the car...How the roof now has a huge section cut out of it for the antenna? Why? How the door trim seals can be literally removed by hand, as in you can pull it right off the door with 0 effort, they aren't held in my anything at all. The Hood itself tweaks and bends at the hinges as you open and close it, the engine can move physically left and right by hand quite easily. You'd almost think the engine mounts were blown with how loose it sat in there. Not to mention this platform is some weird ICE/EV now, so nothing makes sense from a practical perspective. In the ICE car you get almost 0 middle storage, the trunk loses a ton of space with the lifted floor for what seems to me as a tremendous after thought with how the spare tire sits as it's also meant to have a battery underneath in the EV powered version of the chassis.

Did I mention how this car costs $71,000!!?!?!? It only had 1 package and 2 individual options. That was the: Curved display, Cape York Green color, and Driver Assistance with Lane Keep.

Ahhh ID8, whoever designed the UI needs to fired. It's by far the worst iDrive interface since the original, even that was more organized in my opinion. This is now just a huge Android tablet slapped into your car. Wanna change the display brightness? Before it was an easy turn knob on the left of the steering wheel, now it's a 6 menu option you have to figure out where it is. It's not intuitive, and distracts the shit out of me while driving. Typical nonsensical modernization for no other reason than to save money and look futuristic.

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The vents are controlled again via some haptic touch strip to open and close, and some rubber nugget to control vent location. Felt odd and never really knew where the air was pointing until I felt it. Reinventing the wheel again just for the sake of it.

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Driving itself was essentially so far from a 5 Series I had to ask myself if I was even in a BMW at this point. I felt like I was driving an old 90's Buick. Floaty, numb, and had so much body roll it was actually dangerous to some degree with the vehicle feeling almost like a drunk person when the weight sways left and right. The brakes are electrically boosted and the pedal feels mysterious at best, non existent at worst when attempting to brake. You never know how much to give it, nor how it will react. I've had it to where I've tried cruising up to a stop light and the car will increase braking force to the point where it'll bite and stop. Other times it'll do it bite, but then let to a little. I could never really get used to the feel at all...The steering is like any new BMW, lifeless and so light I could drive with it 2 fingers. It doesn't tell you anything about the road, it will only sometimes tell you which way the way is being pulled. Otherwise it's good for just point and drive type of steering. Such a driving dynamic I have not experience in a 5 series before. I drove a G30 540i back in 2021 when they first appeared, It left me wanting one. This one leaves me wanting to keep my old one.

Remember this is also the baseline from which ALL G60 will be built from. So they will all have these terrible buttons and disastrous user interface designs with subpar materials and quality that seriously feels VW in a lot of aspects. Take your money and spend it on a nicely option G30, you'll be happier and have all the same goodies as a G60. It doesn't offer much of an actual upgrade. If you got to go EV, used Tesla model 3's are at an all time low. I much better deal for a much better EV. Pick up a 2020/21 with 45k miles for less than $25K USD. It's an EV only platform, and is already proven. i5's are not even remotely close to that in any kind of Value vs Tech metric.

The tree is nice looking.

[Ossian]

Originally Posted by deutsch100

My last three X5s had the worst A/C I have ever had in any car, besides from a 1985 Nissan.

The X5 A/C was weak, never seemed cold enough and unless you kept it on Max A/C (and planned on no in car conversation or music)....the X5 could not cool the cabin down. Also, the heat coming from the front glass and roof was unbearable.

i5/G60 ICE A/C is excellent. It is better than iX for sure and even slightly better than the i7!

This was such a huge relief to me. I took delivery of my G30 during the Texas summer, and the AC was so anemic I thought I might have to try and return it -- completely insufficient. Ceramic tint, and tinting the windshield eventually made it tolerable, but I had to run it full blast and loud throughout the summer. M60 has been the opposite thus far -- nowhere near maxed out even as it pushes close to 100 degrees.

[Ossian]

Originally Posted by Ossian

This was such a huge relief to me. I took delivery of my G30 during the Texas summer, and the AC was so anemic I thought I might have to try and return it -- completely insufficient. Ceramic tint, and tinting the windshield eventually made it tolerable, but I had to run it full blast and loud throughout the summer. M60 has been the opposite thus far -- nowhere near maxed out even as it pushes close to 100 degrees.

One other related point - the ventilated seats in my G30 were so useless that I almost never turned them on - it felt like they just blew warm air. The M60 ventilated seats feel cooled and are a noticeable relief on hot days. I had what was probably the first 530e to land in the US, so maybe they fixed this in later MY's but man was cabin cooling of all types bad in my G30....