[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Deho

Didn't you hear about the upcoming 550e?

To be fair, the 550e performance doesn't come close to the G30 M550ix. It's marginally better than the G60 540iX. I believe the i5 M60 is intended to be the successor to the G30 M550ix.

[Deho]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

To be fair, the 550e performance doesn't come close to the G30 M550ix. It's marginally better than the G60 540iX.

Just looked again:

0-60
M550i in 3,6 secs
550e in 4,1 secs
540i in 4,5 secs

Considering the instant torque from the electric motor, I’m pretty sure the 550e feels closer to the M550i than to the 540i. A recent review I read about the PHEV corroborated that.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Deho

Just looked again:

0-60
M550i in 3,6 secs
550e in 4,1 secs
540i in 4,5 secs

Considering the instant torque from the electric motor, I’m pretty sure the 550e feels closer to the M550i than to the 540i. A recent review I read about the PHEV corroborated that.

I’ll take that bet and double down on that the 550e doesn’t come close to the M550ix performance. It’s 600 lbs heavier and at least 50 bhp less power. Just sayin.

[richpat69]

Originally Posted by Deho

Didn't you hear about the upcoming 550e?

I was aware of the car but I didn't want a plug-in hybrid with about 40 less HP than the 2020 M550 which I currently own but will be going off lease shortly.

[Thrumcap]

You will have that and more with the 2025 550e. Same power train as X5 50E with 483 HP and 516 lb/ft TQ. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds at 110 mph. 550e will have better performance than the X5 and will probably match the 550i.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Thrumcap

You will have that and more with the 2025 550e. Same power train as X5 50E with 483 HP and 516 lb/ft TQ. Car and Driver got 0-60 in 3.9 seconds and the 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds at 110 mph. 550e will have better performance than the X5 and will probably match the 550i.

And yet still slower and heavier than the G30 M550ix. As good as it may be for what it is, the G60 550e isn’t the replacement for the M550ix and doesn’t have the performance to match it, which is what he was looking for without going to the M5.

[Nighthawks]

Originally Posted by Deho

Didn't you hear about the upcoming 550e?

I have but I couldn’t wait. I have no car since a car crash before Halloween. The 540i xDrive I built had everything I wanted except the turbo V-8.

It will finally arrive at the dealership tomorrow.

[Tortelli]

Had a testdrive in an 550e sedan this weekend. Information and reviews of the G60 550e are very limited (not existing) as far as i can see.
Very impressive car and engine combination. Car is pretty quick in electric only mode (fast enough to flow with traffic, even on the highway (130km/h = 80mph). Realistic electic range when I picked the car up was around 80km = 50 miles but the battery was not fully charged.

In sport (or any mode with engine available) the car is very quick, BMW says 4.3 seconds to 100kmh, I would not be surprised if its actually quicker than this. I also own an 911 (991.2) so i have some comparison .
Car didn’t have the M sport suspension with anti roll system unfortunately [special option for the hybrid cars, they come standard with adaptive suspension]. Was interested in this (expensive) option but the car drives really well without. Cant feel the high weight.

I drove the sedan but would like to purchase the Touring version which is not available to order yet. Cool thing in our country is that the “pollution” tax on these hybrids is very low which makes this car cheaper to buy than the old G30/31 540(x)i. On those is a “pollution” tax of around €20-30.000.
Dont have the time now to write a "full review", if anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

[Pinga]

Which color is this?

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Pinga

Which color is this?

Either Tanzanite Blue or Carbon Black. It’s hard to tell from the pic.

[deutsch100]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

Either Tanzanite Blue or Carbon Black. It’s hard to tell from the pic.

..and I'd say it's Black Sapphire Metallic

[BMW5151]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

And yet still slower and heavier than the G30 M550ix. As good as it may be for what it is, the G60 550e isn’t the replacement for the M550ix and doesn’t have the performance to match it, which is what he was looking for without going to the M5.

There was to be an M560e - more powerful than the 550e and M-tuned to replace the M550i, but apparently it was canceled. Perhaps it will come back into the product plan with the LCI if the volume of EV sales continues to flatten or decline. There is a market for such a car.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by BMW5151

There was to be an M560e - more powerful than the 550e and M-tuned to replace the M550i, but apparently it was canceled. Perhaps it will come back into the product plan with the LCI if the volume of EV sales continues to flatten or decline. There is a market for such a car.

We'll see...one can hope. As much as a hybrid or full EV doesn't work for me, I could be very temped by an M560e. I wonder if both M560e and i5 M60 had been available at launch if more current i5 M60 owners would have picked the hybrid instead.

[BMW5151]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

We'll see...one can hope. As much as a hybrid or full EV doesn't work for me, I could be very temped by an M560e. I wonder if both M560e and i5 M60 had been available at launch if more current i5 M60 owners would have picked the hybrid instead.

I believe a significant number would have jumped to the M560e. Which might be the reason BMW canceled or delayed it. Big push to get folks into the EVs. Notice how the only ICE vehicle offered at intro was the 530i. Took a while to get the 540xi in the mix. The sales people were really working OT to convert V8 drivers to the M60.

[Nighthawks]

I took delivery on Wednesday March 6. It’s been a super busy work week, but I’m loving my 540xi!

[Nighthawks]

Here are a few more

[BMW5151]

Originally Posted by Nighthawks

Here are a few more
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Congrats, looks great. Especially like the Shadowline for the tail lamps. The chrome trim in the taillights reminds me of the E28 5er, from the 1980s.

[SkykingUSA]

Great looking car! Thanks for the photos, they are really good - shows the outside and inside, night and daytime. Very nice.

[nick380]

Completely agree with OP, this is BY FAR the laziest BMW design and engineering I have seen. An absolute embarrassment from a company who has literal decades of experience crafting automotive genius.

Just drove a G60 530i over the long weekend... My F90 is in for a windshield swap. I'm not sure what is going on, but the G60 quite literally looks and feels like a Chinese Knock Off BMW. Everything in my opinion, besides the seats, middle arm, and quality of cameras are just fubar. If this is what the G60 is the G90 is SCREWED! I'm so glad my F90 is the way it is now, won't be leaving my hands anytime soon. I'm the BMW guy that's usually the first to droll over the new stuff. No FOMO this time around, which feels weird as a car guy and BMW enthusiast.



Idrive Knob feels atrocious now, the entire plastic block it sits in moves and creaks when the knob is pushed left and right. The Knob now only moves 1-2 cm now with the actual feel of the movement leaving a lot to be desired. The rest of the buttons on that haptic pad felt terrible. Like as if someone had gone on Aliexpress and ordered the "OEM" pad from there and installed it in their G60 5 series. Honestly, it does not feel BMW AT ALL.

Touch buttons on the doors are hit and miss when pushing them, if you don't push them just right it wont' activate. Also leaves a lot to be desired in the feels department, just a creaking touch door now. Paired with mouse trap door handles, like seriously BMW does a handle really need to go beyond 90 degrees when actuating and spring load enough to kill a gopher? The window switches feel hollow and cheap plastic. Honestly....the only thing that feels have way decent in this car is the scroll for the volume knob... and that's just sad.



The Steering wheel controls are also this same ugly singular pad design with each press tilting the plastic pad towards the button. It's lazy, cheap, and for a $71,000 car, completely unacceptable.

Of course, we can't talk about ID8 without mentioning the curved display. Now I don't know if my model has a slower processor than say an i5M60, but WTF is this laggy rev counter????? It visually lags, and it's by far the most puzzling thing to me when my F90's ID7 has no such issue. This is one of the very things that in my opinion has taken a severe step back. The display isn't even centered on the dash, it's tilted upwards quite a bit and very much noticeable while driving. The Dash itself is now a giant plastic wall that sits behind the curved Display. Makes the 5 series feel like you're driving a truck or a boat with how you have to look over the dash, which honestly looks like it sits actually higher than the hood does...

We haven't even talked about the exterior, how the plastics look so cheap and brittle, and how silly the drawn on grille portion on the Lidar tries to blend in with the grille. Ends up looking more and more fake than anything else. This is a 5 Series, it should be built with proper trim pieces and not this cheap almost off-road looking plastic with this odd design pattern that's thrown around everywhere on the car...How the roof now has a huge section cut out of it for the antenna? Why? How the door trim seals can be literally removed by hand, as in you can pull it right off the door with 0 effort, they aren't held in my anything at all. The Hood itself tweaks and bends at the hinges as you open and close it, the engine can move physically left and right by hand quite easily. You'd almost think the engine mounts were blown with how loose it sat in there. Not to mention this platform is some weird ICE/EV now, so nothing makes sense from a practical perspective. In the ICE car you get almost 0 middle storage, the trunk loses a ton of space with the lifted floor for what seems to me as a tremendous after thought with how the spare tire sits as it's also meant to have a battery underneath in the EV powered version of the chassis.

Did I mention how this car costs $71,000!!?!?!? It only had 1 package and 2 individual options. That was the: Curved display, Cape York Green color, and Driver Assistance with Lane Keep.

Ahhh ID8, whoever designed the UI needs to fired. It's by far the worst iDrive interface since the original, even that was more organized in my opinion. This is now just a huge Android tablet slapped into your car. Wanna change the display brightness? Before it was an easy turn knob on the left of the steering wheel, now it's a 6 menu option you have to figure out where it is. It's not intuitive, and distracts the shit out of me while driving. Typical nonsensical modernization for no other reason than to save money and look futuristic.



The vents are controlled again via some haptic touch strip to open and close, and some rubber nugget to control vent location. Felt odd and never really knew where the air was pointing until I felt it. Reinventing the wheel again just for the sake of it.



Driving itself was essentially so far from a 5 Series I had to ask myself if I was even in a BMW at this point. I felt like I was driving an old 90's Buick. Floaty, numb, and had so much body roll it was actually dangerous to some degree with the vehicle feeling almost like a drunk person when the weight sways left and right. The brakes are electrically boosted and the pedal feels mysterious at best, non existent at worst when attempting to brake. You never know how much to give it, nor how it will react. I've had it to where I've tried cruising up to a stop light and the car will increase braking force to the point where it'll bite and stop. Other times it'll do it bite, but then let to a little. I could never really get used to the feel at all...The steering is like any new BMW, lifeless and so light I could drive with it 2 fingers. It doesn't tell you anything about the road, it will only sometimes tell you which way the way is being pulled. Otherwise it's good for just point and drive type of steering. Such a driving dynamic I have not experience in a 5 series before. I drove a G30 540i back in 2021 when they first appeared, It left me wanting one. This one leaves me wanting to keep my old one.

Remember this is also the baseline from which ALL G60 will be built from. So they will all have these terrible buttons and disastrous user interface designs with subpar materials and quality that seriously feels VW in a lot of aspects. Take your money and spend it on a nicely option G30, you'll be happier and have all the same goodies as a G60. It doesn't offer much of an actual upgrade. If you got to go EV, used Tesla model 3's are at an all time low. I much better deal for a much better EV. Pick up a 2020/21 with 45k miles for less than $25K USD. It's an EV only platform, and is already proven. i5's are not even remotely close to that in any kind of Value vs Tech metric.

[promee]

grew up in toyota and ford, i still have great memory with them.
felt sad when my dad decided to total his old car few years ago.

now i'm waiting for my own 2nd bmw.
no matter how plastic it is, i know i'm going to love it.

[AP]

Originally Posted by nick380

Completely agree with OP, this is BY FAR the laziest BMW design and engineering I have seen. An absolute embarrassment from a company who has literal decades of experience crafting automotive genius.

Just drove a G60 530i over the long weekend... My F90 is in for a windshield swap. I'm not sure what is going on, but the G60 quite literally looks and feels like a Chinese Knock Off BMW. Everything in my opinion, besides the seats, middle arm, and quality of cameras are just fubar. If this is what the G60 is the G90 is SCREWED! I'm so glad my F90 is the way it is now, won't be leaving my hands anytime soon. I'm the BMW guy that's usually the first to droll over the new stuff. No FOMO this time around, which feels weird as a car guy and BMW enthusiast.

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Idrive Knob feels atrocious now, the entire plastic block it sits in moves and creaks when the knob is pushed left and right. The Knob now only moves 1-2 cm now with the actual feel of the movement leaving a lot to be desired. The rest of the buttons on that haptic pad felt terrible. Like as if someone had gone on Aliexpress and ordered the "OEM" pad from there and installed it in their G60 5 series. Honestly, it does not feel BMW AT ALL.

Touch buttons on the doors are hit and miss when pushing them, if you don't push them just right it wont' activate. Also leaves a lot to be desired in the feels department, just a creaking touch door now. Paired with mouse trap door handles, like seriously BMW does a handle really need to go beyond 90 degrees when actuating and spring load enough to [...]

I’ve mentioned it in anothet thread that I personally think bmw have killed the 5 series this time
I ordered my g30 m550 last year as the spy shots of the to be introduced g60 interior and exterior were being displayed
I am so glad I did, whilst I’ve not driven a g60 I have sat in a few and just feel it is a huge let down in quality and ergonomics
It is so gimmicky now

It’s such a shame

I have seen many reviews that state it has a premium interior, really?

[PsychDoc]

There may be mixed opinions on the overall looks of the G60 and the interior appointments but as a vehicle it's supremely smooth and powerful (540xi) and is infinitely superior to the outgoing G30 in its driving dynamics and overall refinement.