[c0nstant]

Originally Posted by HoustonScott

Ignore the liberals while your in college, work to remove them and discredit them while you there and take every chance you get to remind them of the founding. Remember after you leave you will find there is isn't anything dumber a college professor. Their professional students and live in a very closed world one which you will never operate in the future after school.

HS

kill yourself, imo

[CollinsE90]

Originally Posted by jh valley

kill yourself, imo

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[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by hhkim

noone gets a starting salary of 115-150k straight out of college unless that includes the bonus. that is ridiculous.

That is including the bonus. Which is guaranteed 50-100% of base salary based on performance

[JayKay335i]

$100k out of college? Marketing? That's dreaming at this point. The amount of students with degrees in business, marketing, communications, etc. is unbelievably overwhelming. The excess of fresh graduates allows companies to higher those who are fresh behind the ears and pay them less. Whatever you do, you wont be making enough to buy a BMW straight out of college.

[aut0sh0cker]

Originally Posted by hhkim

noone gets a starting salary of 115-150k straight out of college unless that includes the bonus. that is ridiculous.

I beg to differ...

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

$100k out of college? Marketing? That's dreaming at this point. The amount of students with degrees in business, marketing, communications, etc. is unbelievably overwhelming. The excess of fresh graduates allows companies to higher those who are fresh behind the ears and pay them less. Whatever you do, you wont be making enough to buy a BMW straight out of college.

I disagree with you there. A BMW is what $50k? This isn't a ferrari here its just a BMW, they're not that expensive.

I know an alumni from my school in his early 20's driving a Aston Martin Vantage which he bought pretty much straight out of college. And another who is 25 with a Maserati Quattroporte and an RS4. Granted he went to law school, but he's only been out of college 3 years and he has $200K+ worth of cars.

If your making $80K+ your first year out and you don't have loans, than a $50K BMW is well within reach. Especially if you make it a priority and are willing to make some other sacrifices.

[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by aut0sh0cker

I beg to differ...

And i have heard of some of the Computer Science kids coming out of our school making $140K base their first year out. Its rare, but not impossible.

[JayKay335i]

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

I disagree with you there. A BMW is what $50k? This isn't a ferrari here its just a BMW, they're not that expensive.

I know an alumni from my school in his early 20's driving a Aston Martin Vantage which he bought pretty much straight out of college. And another who is 25 with a Maserati Quattroporte and an RS4. Granted he went to law school, but he's only been out of college 3 years and he has $200K+ worth of cars.

If your making $80K+ your first year out and you don't have loans, than a $50K BMW is well within reach. Especially if you make it a priority and are willing to make some other sacrifices.

Granted, his law degree = money, and a BA doesn't necessarily even equal a job.

If you make 80k a year and you buy a $50k car your first year out straight up, you are an idiot and your priorities are screwed up, as you will be broke as shit.

Everybody and their mother has a degree these days. Walking out of college isn't going to guarantee you a good job, let alone a job at all. The economy is still depressed and companies aren't just throwing money at potential employees like they used to. If you have nothing more than a BA, that sure isn't going to make you stand out. Better start making some damn good connections.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

Granted, his law degree = money, and a BA doesn't necessarily even equal a job.

If you make 80k a year and you buy a $50k car your first year out straight up, you are an idiot and your priorities are screwed up, as you will be broke as shit.

Everybody and their mother has a degree these days. Walking out of college isn't going to guarantee you a good job, let alone a job at all. The economy is still depressed and companies aren't just throwing money at potential employees like they used to. If you have nothing more than a BA, that sure isn't going to make you stand out. Better start making some damn good connections.

Can not agree more, those individuals who go out and buy expensive cars, obviously on loaned money are the reason this country is screwed up. They owe more than they make in a year and many times more than their net worth.

The thing I find funny about these people who get of college get that first job then go and buy or lease an expensive car usually do it because the person or company they work for tell them this is the thing they should do. They should reward themselves and show everyone they got some sort of good job.

This happen to my nephew, he graduated with a Marketing degree, got that first job in Sales since no one would hire him for marketing and the next thing that happen his boss convince him to go lease a top of the line Lexus. Before he knew is he could barely pay his bills.

This is a neat trick companies and Bosses play on new hires, make sure they are heavily in debt so they have to work hard or loose all those nice things. The really nasty bosses will make sure you enjoy all those luxury items and then they threaten the job and say work harder and more or else.

[Aija]

Like others have stated, go a different path. Realistically, if someone actually believes they can make 100k+ with a marketing degree in their first job, they are dreaming. Yes, there are very FEW people that will make that much with ANY BA or BS degree in their first year because of a SPECIAL connection (and they probably already had this connection before they even started college) but for the rest of the 98% of the people, you will not make 100k in the first year.

My advice, go Accounting/Finance. If you can devote some more time to college, go engineering, specifically Biomedical Engineering. I got my degree electrical engineering a year ago and got a job offer for 72k/year for my first job (although i had to work ~60hrs a week). My marketing friends struggled to get a job (some even gave up and started working for jobs that didn't even require college degrees). The people who got accounting/financing degrees in my group of friends landed with fairly good jobs (~60k) as there first job.

[Buegie]

Originally Posted by Aija

Like others have stated, go a different path. Realistically, if someone actually believes they can make 100k+ with a marketing degree in their first job, they are dreaming. Yes, there are very FEW people that will make that much with ANY BA or BS degree in their first year because of a SPECIAL connection (and they probably already had this connection before they even started college) but for the rest of the 98% of the people, you will not make 100k in the first year.

My advice, go Accounting/Finance. If you can devote some more time to college, go engineering, specifically Biomedical Engineering. I got my degree electrical engineering a year ago and got a job offer for 72k/year for my first job (although i had to work ~60hrs a week). My marketing friends struggled to get a job (some even gave up and started working for jobs that didn't even require college degrees). The people who got accounting/financing degrees in my group of friends landed with fairly good jobs (~60k) as there first job.

+1 I'm doing my finance degree right now and (in general) the slackers are the marketing majors. It's one of the easier business degrees which is why so many people have them.

I plan on going to law school but if you don't want to go the grad school route I would either recommend accounting and going for your CPA, or some sort of engineering. Neither is easy, but if you want to make a decent living you need to do something to make yourself stand out.

[windowsM]

Originally Posted by TheRox

Do a real job...somethign hard core like engineering or science based.

dont be a floozy

This. You can do anything with an Engineering degree. Then have your company pay for your M.S.

[JayKay335i]

Biomedical is hot shit right now. There aren't many rapidly expanding fields at this point, but biomed is one of them.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by hhkim

noone gets a starting salary of 115-150k straight out of college unless that includes the bonus. that is ridiculous.

Agreed. Unless you work in downtown NYC or some palce with a ridiculous cost of living. And then 100K is nothing to brag about.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

Well when you land jobs at companies like Goldman Sachs, Citi group ect... you are paid pretty nicely, even if its your first year.

And it wasn't their parents BTW. Just connections

Trust me, I know a lot of people that work at those places and started there and you don;t start at 100K+. Maybe if you are in NY and you include bonus... but then cost of living in NY makes $100K seem like a lot less $$$.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

And i have heard of some of the Computer Science kids coming out of our school making $140K base their first year out. Its rare, but not impossible.

You heard the same bullshit I did when I was still in college It is not true BTW. Google doesn't even pay the much straight out of college. The only tech jobs that get close to that for beginners are consulting jobs, and you still need some good experience before you get paid over $100K. Computer programming jobs pay shit now days cause they like to outsource everything (compared to 10 years ago).

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

That is including the bonus. Which is guaranteed 50-100% of base salary based on performance

You apparently have not been watching the news lately. Guaranteed is not always guaranteed. I am pretty sure a TON of people with "guaranteed" bonuses did not get them last year I know a few of them that have 100% salary bonuses that went without last year actually, and it sure sucked to be them.

[Hawkeye]

I have an idea. How about we only allow people that have actually graduated and are in the real world post in these as students seem to have little to no idea what the real world is like.


Shit I thought I was going to come out of college with a math/comp sci double major making a ton of money... haha. The pay that was offered from the top places that I got offered from was only about 50-75% of what I was expecting. The real world sucks so live your dream while you are still in school.

[windowsM]

The <21-22 college student with a 335/M3 has no fucking clue about the real world.
You don't come out of college making >$80k unless you work for Daddy, Uncle Joe, etc.. The top entry level Engineers are lucky with $75k.

[JayKay335i]

Originally Posted by windowsM

The <21-22 college student with a 335/M3 has no fucking clue about the real world.
You don't come out of college making >$80k unless you work for Daddy, Uncle Joe, etc.. The top entry level Engineers are lucky with $75k.

+1

Also, you'd be lucky to make decent wages at citigroup at this point, if they dont just fire your ass from massive corporate downsizing and selling of subsidiaries.

When you are in college, you are naive. Everybody is/was. Everybody talks about all the $$$ you are going to make when you graduate because it keeps you going to class every day. In actuality, the real world blows and you'll be lucky if your college degree gets you a shift as a waiter these days. Companies can give a shit about your college degree.

[Cosmop]

The real world sucks. I miss college. Enjoy every second because once it's over the real world hits you like a ton of bricks.

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[SantaPimp27]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Trust me, I know a lot of people that work at those places and started there and you don;t start at 100K+. Maybe if you are in NY and you include bonus... but then cost of living in NY makes $100K seem like a lot less $$$.

You heard the same bullshit I did when I was still in college It is not true BTW. Google doesn't even pay the much straight out of college. The only tech jobs that get close to that for beginners are consulting jobs, and you still need some good experience before you get paid over $100K. Computer programming jobs pay shit now days cause they like to outsource everything (compared to 10 years ago).

You apparently have not been watching the news lately. Guaranteed is not always guaranteed. I am pretty sure a TON of people with "guaranteed" bonuses did not get them last year I know a few of them that have 100% salary bonuses that went without last year actually, and it sure sucked to be them.

The 100k+ is including the bonus and one is in New York and the other is in North Carolina. And i know another kid out of Dartmouth who made just under $100k his first year out. Trust me i know it is very hard to make over $100k right out of college, I'm just saying it's not impossible.

And as far as the CS kids, im not talkin about everyone making over $100k their first year out, im talking about 1 or 2 kids who only come along every couple of years or so who are programming savants. The CS program at my school is like top 3 in the country and Microsoft/Google recruit heavily here. When ever Bill Gates visits there are like 1000 cops on campus lol

And i understand the bonus is not truly guaranteed, but last year was the exception, not the rule. And a lot of the people working at the big companies that didnt get the bonuses were guys who had HUGE bonuses in the high 6 to 7 figure range. So i guess it didnt totally suck to be them as they should still have a lot of money in the bank if they're not complete idiots lol

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I have an idea. How about we only allow people that have actually graduated and are in the real world post in these as students seem to have little to no idea what the real world is like.

Shit I thought I was going to come out of college with a math/comp sci double major making a ton of money... haha. The pay that was offered from the top places that I got offered from was only about 50-75% of what I was expecting. The real world sucks so live your dream while you are still in school.

Where did i provide the OP with bad advice? I told him not to get a degree in marketing and i told him networking is the most important thing. Seems like thats what most people said so far.

Originally Posted by windowsM

The <21-22 college student with a 335/M3 has no fucking clue about the real world.
You don't come out of college making >$80k unless you work for Daddy, Uncle Joe, etc.. The top entry level Engineers are lucky with $75k.

Engineers usually make less than business majors, or at least from my school. Average pay for a Engineer is around $60K while its $70K for a business major. It all depends though. Shit, i have a friend who didnt even go to college and he'll be making $60K+ working as a manager at a landscaping company before the age of 20. Guess it didnt hurt that he used to date the owners daughter lol

But honestly if your making $70-80K a year and you want a $50K BMW, its not that hard to do. Especially if you have $10-15K to put down on the car. Its all about priorities and making sacrifices. I know people who make $500K a year and drive cars worth $5K. Cars are not their priority so they dont spend money on them. Other people are willing to live in a shit hole apartment to drive a nice car. Thats their decision.

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

+1

Also, you'd be lucky to make decent wages at citigroup at this point, if they dont just fire your ass from massive corporate downsizing and selling of subsidiaries.

When you are in college, you are naive. Everybody is/was. Everybody talks about all the $$$ you are going to make when you graduate because it keeps you going to class every day. In actuality, the real world blows and you'll be lucky if your college degree gets you a shift as a waiter these days. Companies can give a shit about your college degree.

This is probably a big factor too. Everyone needs something to look forward to. In the end you just gotta know the right people... or have parents who know the right people

[JayKay335i]

Or you fail. You get a shitty job making $40k a year, if you're lucky.

Everybody walks out of college thinking they are the best, when 99% of graduates are the same. Companies know it. These days your chances of failing at life far surpass succeeding. Don't let people lie to you and tell you differently. Theres a good chance you'll be living in your parents basement after college.

[windowsM]

I know Engineers aren't the top paid, but on average they consistently make the most with a Bachelor's.
Most business grads aren't over $50k. PwC pays about $62k in NYC for entry associates, but that's equivalent to like $56k anywhere else.

Originally Posted by JayKay335i

Or you fail. You get a shitty job making $40k a year, if you're lucky.

Everybody walks out of college thinking they are the best, when 99% of graduates are the same. Companies know it. These days your chances of failing at life far surpass succeeding. Don't let people lie to you and tell you differently. Theres a good chance you'll be living in your parents basement after college.

The typical college grad realistically makes like $28-30k out of college. Liberal arts majors would be happy with $40k today.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

And as far as the CS kids, im not talkin about everyone making over $100k their first year out, im talking about 1 or 2 kids who only come along every couple of years or so who are programming savants.

So don't tell people that they will make that much. If they were that good they would already have offers.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

The CS program at my school is like top 3 in the country and Microsoft/Google recruit heavily here. When ever Bill Gates visits there are like 1000 cops on campus lol

And... who cares exactly? Bill Gates visiting your school means nothing. He does not personally interview anyone that is still in college, I can guarantee you that.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

And i understand the bonus is not truly guaranteed, but last year was the exception, not the rule. And a lot of the people working at the big companies that didnt get the bonuses were guys who had HUGE bonuses in the high 6 to 7 figure range. So i guess it didnt totally suck to be them as they should still have a lot of money in the bank if they're not complete idiots lol

Actually, at a lot of the financial firms NOBODY got bonuses. Not just the top execs. And if you are making $60K a year with $60K bonus and you just happen to not get a bonus one year... that is a very big deal.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

Where did i provide the OP with bad advice? I told him not to get a degree in marketing and i told him networking is the most important thing. Seems like thats what most people said so far.

You provided bad advice as soon as you tried to offer advice. Advice comes from those who have experience and who know. Not from people that are still in school and have a friend of a friend that did this or that.

When you said he could do "X" and recieve a $100K a year job, that was poor advice.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

Engineers usually make less than business majors, or at least from my school. Average pay for a Engineer is around $60K while its $70K for a business major.

Two things on this one. First the average pay is not for entry level. It is average pay across all workers in that profession. Entry for an engineer will be above the entry for a business major 9 out of 10 times. Then again most business majors have a really hard time getting a real job from what I have seen. The only presitge that gets you anywhere are ivy league schools, anything less all blends in to the same pot for the most part.

Originally Posted by SantaPimp27

But honestly if your making $70-80K a year and you want a $50K BMW, its not that hard to do.

This I agree with. I don't make 6 figures yet and I have 3 new vehicles and a mortgage (and 5 years of student loans). I don't have a lot of $$$ left over, but I like my toys so this is what I chose. Then again I live in Iowa with a really low cost of living as well.