[adski]

Hello, I'm interested to the Professional parking through connecteddrive store.

I ask some questions if you can help me.

1)it Seemed to me that reversing assistant on uphill has some limits/issues about steering. 2 times I had to brake avoiding hitting the wall. Is it a normal issue on uphill?

2)During a reverse park I saw on the dashboard the alert " PDC emerg(ency)"
Is it possibile that when a third person is too close to the car, the car stops itself? I could't continue on reverse, the car was blocked so I had to put on Drive and then again reverse to complete the parking.

3) I need to park / enter through a gate with a side of the car very close to the wall (parking sensor's sound is continous).
I was thinking about get the PRofessional park to record the path and simplify the manouver.

Is it very very very precise the system when parking autonomously? I have less that 1 feet of space left when I park.

thanks

[Blue Sky]

Originally Posted by adski

1)it Seemed to me that reversing assistant on uphill has some limits/issues about steering. 2 times I had to brake avoiding hitting the wall. Is it a normal issue on uphill?

thanks

There are issues with gradients. See this genius video where he says that this situation from the alleyway to the driveway wouldn't work, but a path would work if it starts once on the driveway slope.

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by adski

Hello, I'm interested to the Professional parking through connecteddrive store.

I ask some questions if you can help me.

1)it Seemed to me that reversing assistant on uphill has some limits/issues about steering. 2 times I had to brake avoiding hitting the wall. Is it a normal issue on uphill?

2)During a reverse park I saw on the dashboard the alert " PDC emerg(ency)"
Is it possibile that when a third person is too close to the car, the car stops itself? I could't continue on reverse, the car was blocked so I had to put on Drive and then again reverse to complete the parking.

3) I need to park / enter through a gate with a side of the car very close to the wall (parking sensor's sound is continous).
I was thinking about get the PRofessional park to record the path and simplify the manouver.

Is it very very very precise the system when parking autonomously? I have less that 1 feet of space left when I park.

thanks

1. Sorry, I'm not aware of any slope issues. My driveway is on a slight slope, and the recorded path always works fine in or out of my garage. Maybe on bigger slopes it would have a problem because the sensors may think the ground is in the way during slope transitions.

2. For sure! Sometimes my wife will get out of the car before I enter the garage with the recorded path, and if the car detects her anywhere near the vehicle, it stops and will not continue the maneuver. If I'm going to have the car back me out of the garage before she gets in the car, she has to go around the corner of the garage so the car can't see her in order for it to back itself out. It's extra-cautious when detecting people I think.

3. The saved path I have that takes me into my garage does well with close areas. For example, the right side mirror gets to within 8-12 inches of the garage door frame as it pulls in. Sometimes it will turn hard left to avoid the door frame, but then back hard right when it's past that, then hard left again to get the car in the right spot. Seems odd, but it almost always gets me in the right spot so that both doors can open on both sides without hitting the wall on the right, or my wife's car on the left. It's not 100% every time, but pretty close. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say it works 80% of the time. Those times when it doesn't work, it's because it will be a little too close to one side or the others, but it's never hit anything.

I hope that helps.

[SkykingUSA]

Also just saw this online. Not sure if it helps you, but check it out to see.

[nacs]

Originally Posted by SkykingUSA

1. Sorry, I'm not aware of any slope issues. My driveway is on a slight slope, and the recorded path always works fine in or out of my garage. Maybe on bigger slopes it would have a problem because the sensors may think the ground is in the way during slope transitions.

2. For sure! Sometimes my wife will get out of the car before I enter the garage with the recorded path, and if the car detects her anywhere near the vehicle, it stops and will not continue the maneuver. If I'm going to have the car back me out of the garage before she gets in the car, she has to go around the corner of the garage so the car can't see her in order for it to back itself out. It's extra-cautious when detecting people I think.

3. The saved path I have that takes me into my garage does well with close areas. For example, the right side mirror gets to within 8-12 inches of the garage door frame as it pulls in. Sometimes it will turn hard left to avoid the door frame, but then back hard right when it's past that, then hard left again to get the car in the right spot. Seems odd, but it almost always gets me in the right spot so that both doors can open on both sides without hitting the wall on the right, or my wife's car on the left. It's not 100% every time, but pretty close. If I had to put a number on it, I'd say it works 80% of the time. Those times when it doesn't work, it's because it will be a little too close to one side or the others, but it's never hit anything.

I hope that helps.

To add to this. I tried the recorded path and it doesn’t want to get closer to the door frame than 8 inches which doesn’t help me (I’m closer to 3 inches mirror edge to garage frame) given how we have the cars configured in the garage. That said the parallel park worked awesome even at night.

[NorCalCraig]

So I was excited recently when the Professional option showed up in the ConnectedDrive store, so I did a 3 month trial. A couple things I have noticed that make me think I wouldn't use it long term:

1 - I have recorded a path that puts the front of the vehicle say 4-5" from the wall, however, when executing the saved path, it always stops the vehicle probably 12+" from the wall. Is there a reason why it won't do exactly what is saved?

2 - I expected the speed when executing the path to be slow, but 2mph?!? I started the recording from the street in front of my house pulling into the driveway and into the garage. It's painfully slow and takes much longer to use the functionality than to just pull in myself.

3 - I've only tried backing out of my garage once (not a 'saved' path), and contrary to #2, it seemed to fly backwards down the driveway. I need to play with this one a bit more.

Any thoughts on 1&2, though, as I'm not sure I would pay for this functionality if those are confirmed to be standard functionality.

Thanks.

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by NorCalCraig

So I was excited recently when the Professional option showed up in the ConnectedDrive store, so I did a 3 month trial. A couple things I have noticed that make me think I wouldn't use it long term:

1 - I have recorded a path that puts the front of the vehicle say 4-5" from the wall, however, when executing the saved path, it always stops the vehicle probably 12+" from the wall. Is there a reason why it won't do exactly what is saved?

2 - I expected the speed when executing the path to be slow, but 2mph?!? I started the recording from the street in front of my house pulling into the driveway and into the garage. It's painfully slow and takes much longer to use the functionality than to just pull in myself.

3 - I've only tried backing out of my garage once (not a 'saved' path), and contrary to #2, it seemed to fly backwards down the driveway. I need to play with this one a bit more.

Any thoughts on 1&2, though, as I'm not sure I would pay for this functionality if those are confirmed to be standard functionality.

Thanks.

1 - I think the vehicle has restrictions about how close it will get to walls or solid objects, even with a saved path. I use a saved path to pull into my garage, but I have about 2-3 feet in the front when it stops, so no problem there. You may be out of luck on that one if you need to keep only 5 inches in front. I'd try saving another path to see it it reacts the same way.

2 - That speed is normal. It's too slow to be done from the street. For me, I pull into my driveway, then start the path from the driveway into the garage. That works well because I want it to be slow so I can monitor the mirrors and the garage door, and there is no traffic to worry about. I like it because it centers me just right almost every time and always stops the correct distance into the garage so I know I can close the door and not hit the rear of the car with the garage door.

When using the backup assistant to get out of your driveway, or any place for that matter, I think you're supposed to ride the brake. When you try it next time, be sure to look for any messages not only on the center console screen, but also in the instrument cluster about riding the brake.

I thought the main difference between pro and non-pro had more to do with parking between lines when no cars are around, and the remote parking functionality (moving/parking the car while standing beside it). I didn't realize recording saved paths was a pro-only feature as well.

Good luck and keep us informed of your findings.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by NorCalCraig

So I was excited recently when the Professional option showed up in the ConnectedDrive store, so I did a 3 month trial. A couple things I have noticed that make me think I wouldn't use it long term:

1 - I have recorded a path that puts the front of the vehicle say 4-5" from the wall, however, when executing the saved path, it always stops the vehicle probably 12+" from the wall. Is there a reason why it won't do exactly what is saved?

2 - I expected the speed when executing the path to be slow, but 2mph?!? I started the recording from the street in front of my house pulling into the driveway and into the garage. It's painfully slow and takes much longer to use the functionality than to just pull in myself.

3 - I've only tried backing out of my garage once (not a 'saved' path), and contrary to #2, it seemed to fly backwards down the driveway. I need to play with this one a bit more.

Any thoughts on 1&2, though, as I'm not sure I would pay for this functionality if those are confirmed to be standard functionality.

Thanks.

Re #1, I have basically the same issue. Regardless of what you've saved, the car seems to get nervous when it approaches a wall and will stop in advance of the saved path as a result.

[paprmkr]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

I doubt I will ever use the games. Maybe if I ever take a long trip and need to charge.

I normally take walks or shop while charging. but charging has been fast that no time. so I watch 15mins of some show or YouTube.
never a game. never been gamer, well chess (I'm no good) and Galaga.

[paprmkr]

I wish I could add highway assist professional. it was only option I realized I didn't check. I thought I had. since I checked every box.(well I thought I did).
the difference would be no hands need to be on wheel , correct? and lane change with mirrors/eye position.

[adski]

Originally Posted by SkykingUSA

1 - I think the vehicle has restrictions about how close it will get to walls or solid objects, even with a saved path. I use a saved path to pull into my garage, but I have about 2-3 feet in the front when it stops, so no problem there. You may be out of luck on that one if you need to keep only 5 inches in front. I'd try saving another path to see it it reacts the same way.

2 - That speed is normal. It's too slow to be done from the street. For me, I pull into my driveway, then start the path from the driveway into the garage. That works well because I want it to be slow so I can monitor the mirrors and the garage door, and there is no traffic to worry about. I like it because it centers me just right almost every time and always stops the correct distance into the garage so I know I can close the door and not hit the rear of the car with the garage door.

When using the backup assistant to get out of your driveway, or any place for that matter, I think you're supposed to ride the brake. When you try it next time, be sure to look for any messages not only on the center console screen, but also in the instrument cluster about riding the brake.

I thought the main difference between pro and non-pro had more to do with parking between lines when no cars are around, and the remote parking functionality (moving/parking the car while standing beside it). I didn't realize recording saved paths was a pro-only feature as well.

Good luck and keep us informed of your findings.

did you activate Active Pdc to prevent side and back collisions?
with active pdc activate I can't park within 1 feet distance

I would like to try Pro parking (I have Plus features) but if I can't park closer...

[adski]

Originally Posted by paprmkr

I wish I could add highway assist professional. it was only option I realized I didn't check. I thought I had. since I checked every box.(well I thought I did).
the difference would be no hands need to be on wheel , correct? and lane change with mirrors/eye position.

no hands to be on the wheel for how much time?
I have driving assistance plus and every 6/8 seconds I have to put hands in the steering wheel

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by adski

no hands to be on the wheel for how much time?
I have driving assistance plus and every 6/8 seconds I have to put hands in the steering wheel

Pro, not plus. Pro (DAPP) is the package that allows totally handsfree driving on approved freeways.

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by adski

no hands to be on the wheel for how much time?
I have driving assistance plus and every 6/8 seconds I have to put hands in the steering wheel

With the Driving Assistance Professional Package (DAPP), there is no time limit to the hands-free driving. However, it only works on major freeways, not your average roads. On the "normal" roads, you still have to maintain contact with the steering wheel. I counted once, and on normal roads, when I take my hands off the wheel, it turns yellow after about 4 seconds, then red and bongs at you after about an additional 10-12 seconds. If you don't put your hands on the wheel by that time, it will initiate a controlled stop with flashers on.

It's nice to have on the freeways because you can just rest your hands in your lap and watch the car drive for you. You still have to pay attention, but it's a little more relaxing when you're "monitoring" instead of "doing".

I should add that I don't think this works in every country. It is only available in countries that allow hands-free driving by law.

[Vindicator3]

I've had a heck of a time getting DAPP to activate. Part of it I'm sure is wearing sunglasses when needed, but it rarely gives me the signal that DAPP is even available, and when it has and I've started to use it, it has always canceled it within a few seconds because it thinks (incorrectly) that I don't have my eyes on the road.

Not that big of a deal in town, but I was very much looking forward to using it on a 5-hour each way road trip, almost all on Interstates, a few weeks ago, and got the above.
Frustrating.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by Vindicator3

I've had a heck of a time getting DAPP to activate. Part of it I'm sure is wearing sunglasses when needed, but it rarely gives me the signal that DAPP is even available, and when it has and I've started to use it, it has always canceled it within a few seconds because it thinks (incorrectly) that I don't have my eyes on the road.

Not that big of a deal in town, but I was very much looking forward to using it on a 5-hour each way road trip, almost all on Interstates, a few weeks ago, and got the above.
Frustrating.

Works flawlessly for me even with sunglasses. Once active, it should not cancel if it thinks you take your eyes off the road but rather it should just warn you to pay attention while remaining active. Do you get the "assist plus ready" message on the heads up display? Also, you mentioned "in town," but assist plus only works on specific highways/freeways.

[Vindicator3]

Originally Posted by LVBMW

Do you get the "assist plus ready" message on the heads up display? Also, you mentioned "in town," but assist plus only works on specific highways/freeways.

On the trip in question, I was on I-64, I-57, and I-24, using assist. I got "assist plus ready" several times, but each time it either went away almost immediately (most often) or a couple of times, it transitioned to "assist plus active" (or whatever the exact wording is) but canceled on me within a few seconds with some kind of message that eye/attention detection didn't work.

In town, I still drive mostly on the Interstates to and from work but I don't think I've ever gotten the "ready" message, but I'm not worried about that because short drives in relatively heavy traffic are not the use case.

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by Vindicator3

I've had a heck of a time getting DAPP to activate. Part of it I'm sure is wearing sunglasses when needed, but it rarely gives me the signal that DAPP is even available, and when it has and I've started to use it, it has always canceled it within a few seconds because it thinks (incorrectly) that I don't have my eyes on the road.

Not that big of a deal in town, but I was very much looking forward to using it on a 5-hour each way road trip, almost all on Interstates, a few weeks ago, and got the above.
Frustrating.

When you write, "...getting DAPP to activate.", I'm assuming you mean getting the Assisted Driving Mode Plus to function (where you don't have to constantly hold the steering wheel). First off, as already indicated, it doesn't work on normal roads, it only works on major freeways, so don't expect it to work on your normal street drives to pick up the kids, or run to the store or whatever.

However, while freeway driving I have had the same thing happen a few times in the past - where it activates, then deactivates, then reactivates again. It does this multiple times during a trip. It hasn't happened often, but I suspect it's caused by one of two things:

1. Buggy software
2. GPS connectivity issues

In the past when it happened, it either fixed itself after a few minutes of driving (probably when reliable GPS connectivity was restored again), or it was fixed after I rebooted iDrive.

Regarding my GPS theory: since the ASSIST PLUS feature can only function on major highways, it must rely on the GPS system to know where the car is. If GPS connectivity is spotty or interrupted, then ASSIST PLUS will not work until GPS connectivity is restored. The last time this happened to me was during my trip to Las Vegas from Los Angeles. At one point out in the desert, the system shut itself off and on again about 4 times before I just left it off and kept my hands on the wheel. Then about 5 minutes later, it was "ready" again so I tried it and it worked fine for the rest of the trip.

Regarding the buggy software theory: a few times, I would enter the freeway, and look for the ASSIST PLUS READY sign to show in the instrument cluster, and it never shows up during the entire freeway drive. When that happens, I just reboot iDrive when I get back home and stuff seems to work fine again after that. I think the car is just like many other "computer systems" and could use a reboot every now and again. I usually reboot iDrive once every 3-4 months. Sometimes, an OTA update takes care of that for me, and sometimes I just do it manually if I see that things don't appear to be working as expected.

If you have not done so already, try rebooting iDrive to see if that fixes it. If it doesn't, and your map appears to be working correctly (indicating that GPS seems to be working), I'd take it to the dealer to get it checked out. You should be able to use a feature you paid for.

Lastly, make sure that all the dependent sensors and cameras appear to be working. The system relies on all the other stuff to function, and as you can see from the highlighted list below, there are quite a few things that it needs to function.

Good luck, and keep us informed if you figure it out!

[SkykingUSA]

I see that you are getting a message about eye detection. If that is the case, I assume you tried using it without your sun glasses? Not sure if it matters for that system, but I noticed that polarized sunglasses don't allow me to see the HUD clearly. I had to get non-polarized sun glasses in order to see the HUD, and when I wear those the car has no problem detecting my eyes. I can't say whether it works with polarized or not because I have not tried that.

I'd say that after an iDrive reboot, if it still doesn't work, get it checked out at the dealer. Maybe there is a problem with the eye detection system.

[Vindicator3]

Thanks, all. Yes to all the questions, this is ADMP, I know it only works on selected freeways, yes I've tried it at night and during the day, with sunglasses, clear glasses, and no glasses. Same issue.

I've not tried rebooting so I will do that before the next long drive outside of town and see what I get.

The driver attention camera seems to definitely be the issue given the messaging I'm getting, but I hope it's a software issue that a reboot will cure.

I will also say if it matters that the long trip on which it didn't work was before the recent OTA software update so maybe that helped in and of itself.

[AiredaleDad]

Originally Posted by Vindicator3

Thanks, all. Yes to all the questions, this is ADMP, I know it only works on selected freeways, yes I've tried it at night and during the day, with sunglasses, clear glasses, and no glasses. Same issue.

I've not tried rebooting so I will do that before the next long drive outside of town and see what I get.

The driver attention camera seems to definitely be the issue given the messaging I'm getting, but I hope it's a software issue that a reboot will cure.

I will also say if it matters that the long trip on which it didn't work was before the recent OTA software update so maybe that helped in and of itself.

I also wonder if it has to do whether the steering wheel is in the way. Some people may position the steering wheel too high (Or Low) and the steering wheel blocks the cameras. Or they drive with their hand at the top of the steering wheel. The cameras are right at the top of the display. Basically if you can't see the top of the display, it can't see your eyes either.

[aaexpert]

Originally Posted by AiredaleDad

I also wonder if it has to do whether the steering wheel is in the way. Some people may position the steering wheel too high (Or Low) and the steering wheel blocks the cameras. Or they drive with their hand at the top of the steering wheel. The cameras are right at the top of the display. Basically if you can't see the top of the display, it can't see your eyes either.

After lowering my steering column(beyond factory specs) recently, I had to pay attention to this exact thing. I found that if you shine a light at the top center of the instrument panel you can see where the camera area is, about the shape of a razor blade. Testing the wheel in various positions, I found that the lowest position it could be was putting the inner top edge of the steering wheel at the very top edge of the lens glass frame. Any lower and the steering wheel blocks the cams vision of your eyes and gives warnings or wont allow it operate properly. This is without any sunglasses on, which have also proven to be a slight issue depending on types of lens and/or sun reflection on them at certain angles.