[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by mookie45

With $40k to blow, I'd get a lower mileage 2011/2012 135i and put a PURE Stage 2 turbo set up.

Embarrass Zo6's and Vipers in your Sh*t Your Pants fast car.

Lol, maybe in a roll race. These fastest out there have only ran high 10's at best. That's very easy to accomplish in a newer Viper or C6/C7 Z06. Like some good drag radials...which is what the magical couple of 135's were running. Then you compare stopping, top speed, handling, etc and the 135 is losing there as well.

For 40k, Z06 plus a healthy cam will get it done nicely.

[derryck]

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

Subaru STi, not ST....

simple mods and you're easily north of 350 bhp with a WRX STi...

The same can be said for the Focus ST and the RS will be a monster. I have a Focus ST as my dog hauler and with just an FMIC and tune it easily overwhelms the front wheels into third. I'd expect the RS to be a formidable street assassin in no time.

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by derryck

The same can be said for the Focus ST and the RS will be a monster. I have a Focus ST as my dog hauler and with just an FMIC and tune it easily overwhelms the front wheels into third. I'd expect the RS to be a formidable street assassin in no time.

I disagree, but thats the great thing about car guys....we can disagree and still appreciate all things car...to my earlier comment...

Start with a donor car @ $2,000 - strip the car and sink $15 -$20 grand into the build = 600 to 700 bhp WRX.

Donor car:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...13973520&Log=0

600 bhp WRX:
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...13973520&Log=0

[Bbacho2002]

Ive been thinking about getting a Focus ST specially since i recently sold my srt4 -

[Fundguy1]

Rs is a 4 cylinder. Next...

[KingOfJericho]

Leave it to a econo-rocket to bring out the boy racer in everyone...

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Leave it to a econo-rocket to bring out the boy racer in everyone...

Yup. A gt350r and I'd be impressed.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by mookie45

With $40k to blow, I'd get a lower mileage 2011/2012 135i and put a PURE Stage 2 turbo set up.

Embarrass Zo6's and Vipers in your Sh*t Your Pants fast car.

I'd like to see that but I would like to ride a Unicorn too.

[mookie45]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I'd like to see that but I would like to ride a Unicorn too.

You can see it here:

Good luck with that unicorn though.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

I'd get a slightly used STi - mod the shit out of it - make the new RS my bitch....

With your STI understeer? Engine placement is a big disadvantage you are starting with and then there's the whole issue of the much older engine technology you have to "mod the shit out of" to approach RS power...

[Fundguy1]

So true the 135. Sorry, but even with turbos, there's no replacement for displacement.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

Start with a donor car @ $2,000 - strip the car and sink $15 -$20 grand into the build = 600 to 700 bhp WRX.

600hp? You'd spend 20K on just the engine, for a block and all supporting mods for 600hp, not to mention the brakes, suspension and drivetrain you need to handle it. This is ridiculous.

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

600hp? You'd spend 20K on just the engine, for a block and all supporting mods for 600hp, not to mention the brakes, suspension and drivetrain you need to handle it. This is ridiculous.

plenty of examples - try this thing called ....

if you seriously think the RS will be so good that $20k worth of mods in a WRX or a 135 can't walk it, you might be on the wrong forum...IMO

I speak as a former WRX owner who had ~ $10k in mods, on a stock block, putting down north of 400 hp....

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

So true the 135. Sorry, but even with turbos, there's no replacement for displacement.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

plenty of examples - try this thing called ....

if you seriously think the RS will be so good that $20k worth of mods in a WRX or a 135 can't walk it, you might be on the wrong forum...IMO

I speak as a former WRX owner who had ~ $10k in mods, on a stock block, putting down north of 400 hp....

I'm a former wrx owner too. 400whp from a stock 2.0 or 2.5 block? Should get forged pistons, needs injectors, turbo, intercooler, intake, transmission, brakes capable of dealing with the power, blow off capable of handling that power, and other assorted bits, and even the you end up with a bunch of weight in front of the front axle for massive understeer and tons of turbo lag to turn that GT35 or whatever flavor "big" turbo.

If you mean "walk all over" in terms of the only important stat being the quarter mile and never having to turn, slow down, run a course, etc, well you can buy a clapped out anything and put a turbo in there that will eventually blow the engine or just a bigger engine, and "go fast" like Ricky Bobby, but claiming that 20k of mods on a donor chassi will bring you anywhere close to the total package of a new RS? Yeah right, and those mods don't install themselves either.

[RM7]

Let's get realistic for a moment, youll need bigger brakes for the horsepower, so a few thousand plus new wheels and decent size rubber to put it down, so realistically a few thousand more, and the engine block capable of 400-600whp is another 5k+, just for the basic parts, not all the required accessories that can also deal with the power. Oops, forgot to mention shocks, so a couple thousand more. Turbo kits capable of 600whp start at several thousand dollars. There's also getting the engine ECU tune, heck, all the computers and harnesses too! And of course we haven't even got into transmissions and gears and drivetrains capable of dealing with that much power. And again, these don't ship and install themselves.


Bumping up a wrx to 300hp (engine) is pretty easy and relatively inexpensive, same with an STI to 400. Going beyond that gets complicated fast you can tack another 50 or so hp with upgraded turbo, injectors and some other bits, but you are closing in fast on the limits of the entire system where you have to start investing significantly more money to keep up with the engine mods (like stage 2 suspension and brakes, or higher).

Again, it just makes no sense to gut an old wrx to build one up vs a new RS, unless you just want a wrx because you have a soft spot for them. I'd bet you'd really spend closer to 40K for your time, parts and effort when all is said and done.

Originally Posted by ASBSECU E93

I speak as a former WRX owner who had ~ $10k in mods, on a stock block, putting down north of 400 hp....

Turbo plus injectors and intercooler, tune, tgv delete, intake, exhaust, blow off wheels, shocks, sways, brakes and trans is quite a bit north of 10k, and after owning the same car myself, I can say for certain that north of 400whp on stock brakes, suspension and trans would be ridiculous.

[ASBSECU E93]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I'm a former wrx owner too. 400whp from a stock 2.0 or 2.5 block? Should get forged pistons, needs injectors, turbo, intercooler, intake, transmission, brakes capable of dealing with the power, blow off capable of handling that power, and other assorted bits, and even the you end up with a bunch of weight in front of the front axle for massive understeer and tons of turbo lag to turn that GT35 or whatever flavor "big" turbo.

If you mean "walk all over" in terms of the only important stat being the quarter mile and never having to turn, slow down, run a course, etc, well you can buy a clapped out anything and put a turbo in there that will eventually blow the engine or just a bigger engine, and "go fast" like Ricky Bobby, but claiming that 20k of mods on a donor chassi will bring you anywhere close to the total package of a new RS? Yeah right, and those mods don't install themselves either.

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Let's get realistic for a moment, youll need bigger brakes for the horsepower, so a few thousand plus new wheels and decent size rubber to put it down, so realistically a few thousand more, and the engine block capable of 400-600whp is another 5k+, just for the basic parts, not all the required accessories that can also deal with the power. Oops, forgot to mention shocks, so a couple thousand more. Turbo kits capable of 600whp start at several thousand dollars. There's also getting the engine ECU tune, heck, all the computers and harnesses too! And of course we haven't even got into transmissions and gears and drivetrains capable of dealing with that much power. And again, these don't ship and install themselves.


Bumping up a wrx to 300hp (engine) is pretty easy and relatively inexpensive, same with an STI to 400. Going beyond that gets complicated fast you can tack another 50 or so hp with upgraded turbo, injectors and some other bits, but you are closing in fast on the limits of the entire system where you have to start investing significantly more money to keep up with the engine mods (like stage 2 suspension and brakes, or higher).

Again, it just makes no sense to gut an old wrx to build one up vs a new RS, unless you just want a wrx because you have a soft spot for them. I'd bet you'd really spend closer to 40K for your time, parts and effort when all is said and done.

James - I'll not argue with you, because it's your opinion vs my opinion. And, in that conversation, you'll ALWAYS lose (IMO). I've wrenched cars all my life and fully understand what is involved with a build. You're telling me it can't be done - I'm saying it can be done.

You are correct - I did not clarify 'walk all over' - so for clarity....a car that is lighter with a better PTW ratio, has better acceleration in a straight line, and is more than capable of handling it on a track.

If you think a complete donor car for $2 grand plus $20 grand for mods and a motivated individual with knowledge and equipment cannot build a car more than capable of handling a ST or RS, then you win the argument (In your opinion).

FWIW - at $50 grand, I'll pick-up an Aerial Atom and kick the shit out of the RS, or just about anything else under $100k for that matter. If I wanted to spend $40k plus on a FORD - it'd be the Shelby GT350.

[1MOREMOD]

Asb meant to say he has wrecked cars all his life not wrenched.

[kprocivic]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

Asb meant to say he has wrecked cars all his life not wrenched.

Banned

[1MOREMOD]

Okay I will admit I have never tried to vtec my import or whatever the hell all this bs is.

[BMWsully]

I love the idea of it, but the RS is just hideous. It would be a blast to drive I'm sure, but I don't know that I could ever get over the looks of it.

[KingOfJericho]

If the car look exactly the same with only the badge being changed from Ford to Aston Martin, everyone would be creaming their fucking pants over this thing. Image is everything and this is a sharp looking car.