[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by TwinTurboXI

Some may not like the color,

to each his own, I love it.

Hehe, Looks like Seinfeld's Mexico Blue 993TT sold by Truspeed in Costa Mesa.

They currently have an Arrow Blue 930 Turbo. Only two were ever made in that color.


Gonzo, go over there and buy that 993TT. Nice that it has RSD. And two PCA member decals

It does need a USA spec bumperette delete (and a plate hole fill), aka Euro bumper with full clear corners. The aftermarket option of the wheels and coilovers, is nice of course. Hopefully they still have the original stock hollow spokes.

The seller should have a photo of the factory sticker under the trunk lid. That will list the codes to the paint color, the leather color, and any factory options it comes with (a very important sticker to show!)

[RRGOO7]

[ianbiz]

i need a porsche in my life.

[adrian1480]

Black & Gold Carrera GT.

I came. Twice.

[gonzo]

Sure sPaws. Let me call the hanger and have them get the Lear ready. Then I will go out back and check the fruit on my money tree.


That is Seinfelds car.

I did not know the 97 X50 was this fast..... 1997 Porsche 911 Turbo S 3.6 0-60. 11.9 1/4 mile. Woooosh!

[Plan B]

I like the 993’s, but for the true air-cooled 911 experiences, my personal favorites are… 1) 73’ 2.7 RS and 2) 964 RS. Both lightweight, NA, and most importantly, RWD. RS Americas could still be had for a decent price and I will have one, in the next year or so. However, I will continue to dream of the authentic 73’ RS I drove 5 years ago, owned by a collector in Texas. Perhaps I may settle for a replica one day…

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Plan B

I like the 993’s, but for the true air-cooled 911 experiences, my personal favorites are… 1) 73’ 2.7 RS and 2) 964 RS. Both lightweight, NA, and most importantly, RWD. RS Americas could still be had for a decent price and I will have one, in the next year or so. However, I will continue to dream of the authentic 73’ RS I drove 5 years ago, owned by a collector in Texas. Perhaps I may settle for a replica one day…

A (real) RS is super but not easy to find (easy to find clones.)

And not that practical for most people unless you are a collector. And unfortunately the RS America isn't at all the same car as the Euro RS, thanks to the US DOT. The RS America used the same M030 suspension (that you could option on any car) unlike the Euro RS. The Euro RS was basically a Carrera Cup Series car. The America was really a stripped down C2.

But you're absolutely right, the pre-993s gives you the "full experience." Including getting spit into the trees

I'd prefer a 993 RS or Clubsport (very light; RWD, and stripped of everything) only as I'm more familiar with 993s. But very hard to find an import.

[03BeastCharmer]

I loved the Turbo from Bad Boys.

[Plan B]

I can certainly appreciate the differences between the RS America and the 964 RS, as I used to drive one regularly over 'The Pond'. The dynamics of a RS America comes pretty close with some choice modifications.

Originally Posted by stickypaws

But you're absolutely right, the pre-993s gives you the "full experience." Including getting spit into the trees

What's this business about "getting spit into the trees"? You just need to give it due respect and understand your limitations. Better yet, take it to the track...where the limits could be fully exploited. That's where a replica 2.7 RS could be a benefit. You won't be worried about flogging it... lol

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Plan B

What's this business about "getting spit into the trees"? You just need to give it due respect and understand your limitations. Better yet, take it to the track...where the limits could be fully exploited. That's where a replica 2.7 RS could be a benefit. You won't be worried about flogging it... lol

It's just a common joke among (older) P-car owners. Since most new owners don't realize (and sometimes never learn) steering by the throttle on something with that kind of rear weight and oversteer, we joke about part of the "Porsche experience" as being "spit into the trees." And then of course the other joke was about buying used ones at great prices from doctors and lawyers who just had the shit scared out of them.

The 996/997 has reduced a lot of that "experience" with PSM. But still has (the 2) a bit of that understeer with power on and oversteer with power off. So now the doctors and lawyers will keep on buying them

As the adage goes: Understeer is when you see the tree and oversteer is when you hear it....

ps, are you a PCA member? Where are you located? Do you do any DEs or club racing? Are you in SoCal?

[gonzo]

If going dressed up....

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

It's just a common joke among (older) P-car owners. Since most new owners don't realize (and sometimes never learn) steering by the throttle on something with that kind of rear weight and oversteer, we joke about part of the "Porsche experience" as being "spit into the trees." And then of course the other joke was about buying used ones at great prices from doctors and lawyers who just had the shit scared out of them.

The 996/997 has reduced a lot of that "experience" with PSM. But still has (the 2) a bit of that understeer with power on and oversteer with power off. So now the doctors and lawyers will keep on buying them

As the adage goes: Understeer is when you see the tree and oversteer is when you hear it....

ps, are you a PCA member? Where are you located? Do you do any DEs or club racing? Are you in SoCal?

Thanks stickypaws – it’s always nice to meet another Porsche enthusiast. I am certainly no stranger to the (older) P-car adages however, as I have been an owner for the past 10-years that included, on separate occasions, a 996TT and a 996 GT3 RS during my stint in the UK. That’s also where I’ve spent considerable seat time in a 964 RS as well. Further, I have been driving the air-cooled variants my whole life with both my father and uncle being “collectors”.

I was merely being facetious with my question, but do feel that this particular Porsche adage is somewhat trite. It does not take a physics professor to understand that 911’s have an engine hanging out its ass-end and that if one does not respect its dynamics - you’d be backwards going the wrong direction before long.

True – the 996 and 997’s have most of the old-school 911 gremlins “engineered” out, and hence, some may consider them to possess less of the famous 991 characteristics. However, I do not consider that to be a bad thing at all. Further, most do not appreciate their intrinsic 911 qualities, simply because their limits have been moved beyond most drivers’ capabilities. That’s also why when friends ask me for Porsche purchasing advice; my response is always, “get the newest one that’s NA and RWD”.

The 996’s are great cars that can be had for cheap right now. It does have some transitional growing pains that were rectified in the 997’s. A 997 CS is an excellent example of a modern 911 and could be driven everyday and excel at the track on weekends.

My perfect garage would have both a tried-and-true full on experience of an older air-cooled 911…like a 73’ 2.7 RS (or a clone) lightwight RWD, and a modern RWD 911 with all the conveniences and capabilities for the times when I’m feeling really committed at the track.

BTW - I’ll have some seat time in the car below next week. (owned by a friend) This is perhaps one of the very few AWD examples that I lust for…but then it’s not exactly a Porsche, is it?

[BMWGator]

A 911 is a must have for any car enthusiast. Once the new 998 comes out, I will probably get a used 997TT at that time.

In my dreams, I would have one with the full TechArt program.

[SAVAGE]

I would not call it a ultimate but never less, they park next to my Z4 Downstairs
My dads toys

1990 Carrera 4
RS wheels and Mirrors.
993 Turbo Brakes







2006 Carrera S

[e92man]

993TT FTW!!!!!! No turbo will ever be like the 993 PERIOD

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Plan B

Thanks stickypaws – it’s always nice to meet another Porsche enthusiast. I am certainly no stranger to the (older) P-car adages however, as I have been an owner for the past 10-years that included, on separate occasions, a 996TT and a 996 GT3 RS during my stint in the UK. That’s also where I’ve spent considerable seat time in a 964 RS as well. Further, I have been driving the air-cooled variants my whole life with both my father and uncle being “collectors”.

Who are your dad and uncle? Maybe I know them. I've been a PCA member for eons. Where are you located?

Originally Posted by Plan B

I was merely being facetious with my question, but do feel that this particular Porsche adage is somewhat trite. It does not take a physics professor to understand that 911’s have an engine hanging out its ass-end and that if one does not respect its dynamics - you’d be backwards going the wrong direction before long.

And it certainly doesn't require a doctorate in physics to buy one. It only takes money. It's not trite to the hundreds of new owners I see every day around here because they're pretty clueless to begin with. I can't keep track of how many new 997 Cabs with a Tip I see in a day here; again, Porsche ownership only requires cash, not any 'understanding.'

Originally Posted by Plan B

True – the 996 and 997’s have most of the old-school 911 gremlins “engineered” out, and hence, some may consider them to possess less of the famous 991 characteristics. However, I do not consider that to be a bad thing at all. Further, most do not appreciate their intrinsic 911 qualities, simply because their limits have been moved beyond most drivers’ capabilities. That’s also why when friends ask me for Porsche purchasing advice; my response is always, “get the newest one that’s NA and RWD”.

So, you're getting what I'm getting at in my response above

Making them more user friendly (and building an SUV) has helped make Porsche profitable (and not to forget their recent adventure as a hedge fund company )

Originally Posted by Plan B

The 996’s are great cars that can be had for cheap right now. It does have some transitional growing pains that were rectified in the 997’s. A 997 CS is an excellent example of a modern 911 and could be driven everyday and excel at the track on weekends.

Yeah, like dirt cheap. And there seems like tons of them on the road. Those transitional pains were more like "hey, we're going be broke, we need to start mass producing and get back to economies of scale before the ship sinks." But, sure, they are very decent values.

ps., curious about your choice of the Croc as your DD. Please expand on that, as they say.

Originally Posted by Plan B

BTW - I’ll have some seat time in the car below next week. (owned by a friend) This is perhaps one of the very few AWD examples that I lust for…but then it’s not exactly a Porsche, is it?

Whose RUF is it? John Lotz had one (in SoCal) and I saw it at a sponsored event/show. Have fun in it.

[Simon@RENNSpec]

Here's a couple pix of our Project GT3

[Plan B]

Originally Posted by stickypaws

Who are your dad and uncle? Maybe I know them. I've been a PCA member for eons. Where are you located?

Both my father and uncle are based in Belgium. I don’t think that they belong to PCA, though I’m sure that the influence of the organization stretches far and wide.

I’m currently in the DC Metro area myself, and have spent a good part of my past decade in the UK. Which chapter do you belong to in SoCal? Do you do DE’s or club racing there? and how active is your group?

I’ve looked into a local chapter a couple of years ago, and they seemed to be into doing casual drives and wine tasting with occasional autocrosses littered in. The group appeared to be a decent mix with a definite lean towards the older Porsches, but frankly, I sensed that they were more into waxing their cars than to really drive them. I could have been wrong, but that was my impression at the time. I’m sure that the groups differ depending on the members. You probably have a very different perspective.

Originally Posted by stickypaws

And it certainly doesn't require a doctorate in physics to buy one. It only takes money. It's not trite to the hundreds of new owners I see every day around here because they're pretty clueless to begin with. I can't keep track of how many new 997 Cabs with a Tip I see in a day here; again, Porsche ownership only requires cash, not any 'understanding.'
Making them more user friendly (and building an SUV) has helped make Porsche profitable (and not to forget their recent adventure as a hedge fund company )

I’ve lived in SoCal as a kid and still have many friends there. As such, I am no stranger to that scene. However, I don’t think that it’s an indictment on a car based on the people who drive them. As you have pointed out, Porsche is a company and one of their many goals is to be profitable. Obviously, that would include expanding on their customer base and market shares. While we could lament on the purity of purpose of a euro 993 GT2, for example, I am just as excited by the fact that the water-cooled generation has broadened its appeal and capabilities considerably. The game has certainly moved on. “The Beverly Hills plastic surgeon” could drive his 997 GT2 to a PTA meeting and could just as easily spin it at Laguna. Or…he could just burn everyone at the track because he could actually drive. Who knows?

I’d hate to stereotype anyone, as if driving our cars with that badge isn’t enough already. Though I grew up with the air-cooled variants, I do not think that they are anything too special, save for a few specific models. I certainly don’t want to come across as one of those stereotypes, ranting and raving on how the air-cooled are the only “REAL Porsche” either. That, to me, is trite.

Originally Posted by stickypaws

ps., curious about your choice of the Croc as your DD. Please expand on that, as they say.

Very simple…I wanted a mid-engine sports car. The F-430 was out of my price range , so I picked up a Cayman S. It does very well as a DD and I could rack up the miles on it. Further, I could park it anywhere and not draw attention. If it gets dinged up at my office garage…I’m ok with it.

Originally Posted by stickypaws

Whose RUF is it? John Lotz had one (in SoCal) and I saw it at a sponsored event/show. Have fun in it.

I could PM you, as I’m sure he would not appreciate having his name posted on a public forum. The RT-12 is in Texas though…

[neeeeenja]

Front Engine V8, Rear Wheel Drive, wish they would bring it back. Porsche 928

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by Plan B

Both my father and uncle are based in Belgium. I don’t think that they belong to PCA, though I’m sure that the influence of the organization stretches far and wide.

So, are you Belgian? I get my OEM Euro parts from Gert (Carnewal) in Maarkedal (East Flanders) Just got a pkg today as a coincidence...

Originally Posted by Plan B

I’m currently in the DC Metro area myself, and have spent a good part of my past decade in the UK. Which chapter do you belong to in SoCal? Do you do DE’s or club racing there? and how active is your group?

I’ve looked into a local chapter a couple of years ago, and they seemed to be into doing casual drives and wine tasting with occasional autocrosses littered in. The group appeared to be a decent mix with a definite lean towards the older Porsches, but frankly, I sensed that they were more into waxing their cars than to really drive them. I could have been wrong, but that was my impression at the time. I’m sure that the groups differ depending on the members. You probably have a very different perspective.

There are no 'local chapters.' The PCA is made up of Zones with Regions. You're in Zone 2 and Zone 2 has some of the most well-known and active regions at the track. Your region is Potomac. It was the birthplace of the PCA, my friend. DC was where it all started.

And there's plenty of stuff. Regions hook up under the Zones. 2 looks like they've booked Mid-Ohio and Watkins Glen this summer. Plenty of HPDCs, Autocross, and DEs lined up. And then of course, there's always Club Racing (if you have plans to get serious.)

Same thing here; PCA-LA has its own small monthly events (like breakfast at the Santa Monica Airport; last time they test drove a few new Teslas and ate breakfast, and that was it.) But other Regions (e.g., Grand Prix/Long Beach; there are three LA Regions since it's so big) will run more track oriented events. Here it's either Streets of Willow, Buttonwillow, Fontana, and sometimes Willow Springs. It's all the same; Regions within the Zone, etc.. Doesn't matter; it's all the PCA. Only two rules: own a Porsche and pay your annual dues. As long as I can pay for the event and keep on replacing tires, I try to do as many events as I can. Like drugs, it gets expensive.

Originally Posted by Plan B

“The Beverly Hills plastic surgeon” could drive his 997 GT2 to a PTA meeting and could just as easily spin it at Laguna. Or…he could just burn everyone at the track because he could actually drive. Who knows?

Whatever. But I live here and I'll tell you this: you'll find most of them driving Cabs with a Tip in Ruby Red or Macadamia on Sand Beige or Terracotta. My neighbor does implants. And Laguna is way, way too far north for them.

Originally Posted by Plan B

Very simple…I wanted a mid-engine sports car. The F-430 was out of my price range , so I picked up a Cayman S. It does very well as a DD and I could rack up the miles on it. Further, I could park it anywhere and not draw attention. If it gets dinged up at my office garage…I’m ok with it.

Don't quite sure I get the logic behind all that as a DD versus the 997, but that's okay. I guess you could park it in Anacostia

btw, Caymans make absolutely great track cars. Think: Spec Miata with a leather interior.

Originally Posted by Plan B

I could PM you, as I’m sure he would not appreciate having his name posted on a public forum. The RT-12 is in Texas though…

Why? Did he used to work for Madoff?

So, you're going to TX next week for a spin in it?

[stickypaws]

Originally Posted by neeeeenja

Front Engine V8, Rear Wheel Drive, wish they would bring it back. Porsche 928

They did. It's called the Panamera S. They just added two doors....