[MisterSkiMask]

this cunt needs to be fired and taken off the air.

his hyper PC nonsense makes me want to puke!

[Mr Tonka]

wouldn't bother me. Send Collinsworth with him please.

[Cuz5150]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

this cunt needs to be fired and taken off the air.

his hyper PC nonsense makes me want to puke!

Totally agree.....the National media pushing PC in to sports now

[KingOfJericho]

Can we also toss Joe Buck? I've never heard a person so obviously modulate their voice to sound deeper. It's embarrassing.

[DF]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

wouldn't bother me. Send Collinsworth with him please.

I love Collinsworth. But Costas and his hair dye need to go

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Cuz5150

Totally agree.....the National media pushing PC in to sports now

So it would be ok for me to name a team the Washington N word?

The term Redskin is a racial slur against native americans just like the n word is against blacks.

I don't have issues with teams like the Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc. But, a racial slur has no business as a team name. If they want to change it to another Native American based name so they wouldn't have to change uniform /logo design, that's fine.

[DF]

Every year the Redskins controversy starts. Every the owner tells everyone to fuck off.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by quagmire

So it would be ok for me to name a team the Washington N word?

The term Redskin is a racial slur against native americans just like the n word is against blacks. Also, most native Americans really don't give it a second thought.

I don't have issues with teams like the Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc. But, a racial slur has no business as a team name. If they want to change it to another Native American based name so they wouldn't have to change uniform /logo design, that's fine.

The term is MILES from the n-word in terms of tonality so do not group the two words together as if they are of equal impact.

Tommy Yazzie, superintendent of the Red Mesa school district on the Navajo Nation reservation, grew up when Navajo children were forced into boarding schools to disconnect them from their culture. Some were punished for speaking their native language. Today, he sees environmental issues as the biggest threat to his people.

The high school football team in his district is the Red Mesa Redskins.

“We just don’t think that (name) is an issue,” Yazzie said. “There are more important things like busing our kids to school, the water settlement, the land quality, the air that surrounds us. Those are issues we can take sides on.”

“Society, they think it’s more derogatory because of the recent discussions,” Yazzie said. “In its pure form, a lot of Native American men, you go into the sweat lodge with what you’ve got — your skin. I don’t see it as derogatory.”

Neither does Eunice Davidson, a Dakota Sioux who lives on the Spirit Lake reservation in North Dakota. “It more or less shows that they approve of our history,” she said.

North Dakota was the scene of a similar controversy over the state university’s Fighting Sioux nickname. It was decisively scrapped in a 2012 statewide vote — after the Spirit Lake reservation voted in 2010 to keep it.

Davidson said that if she could speak to Dan Snyder, the Washington team owner who has vowed never to change the name, “I would say I stand with him. We don’t want our history to be forgotten.”

http://tbo.com/article/20131008/ARTICLE/131009301/1560

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

The term is MILES from the n-word in terms of tonality so do not group the two words together as if they are of equal impact.

A racial slur is still a racial slur. Trying to justify not changing the name by saying it isn't as big as the n word is ridiculous.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by quagmire

A racial slur is still a racial slur. Trying to justify not changing the name by saying it isn't as big as the n word is ridiculous.

Is it still a racial slur if the target of the slur is not offended and nobody is trying to offend them?

At some point a word is just a word and people like you need to stop being offended on behalf of other people because you think that they are too stupid to know that they should be offended, but you know better.

[Whostheboss]

If Redskins is the same as ******, then i say it should be changed. I don't have much knowledge as to what Redskins really mean.

EDIT: Nigge*

[Whostheboss]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

Is it still a racial slur if the target of the slur is not offended and nobody is trying to offend them?

Is it Ok to call a mentally ill child a Retard even if he doesnt mind?
I'm not arguing against you, i'm just playing devils advocate to raise other points.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by quagmire

A racial slur is still a racial slur. Trying to justify not changing the name by saying it isn't as big as the n word is ridiculous.

My point is that many native Americans don't even see it as a racial slur. Do the guys living in the southwest really hear angry shop owners calling native Americans "redskins" in a negative way?

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

Is it Ok to call a mentally ill child a Retard even if he doesnt mind?
I'm not arguing against you, i'm just playing devils advocate to raise other points.

So you think Native Americans are not mentally capable of understanding the term and therefore they must be protected by those who know better? Now who is being offensive?

[bjayfan]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

Is it Ok to call a mentally ill child a Retard even if he doesnt mind?
I'm not arguing against you, i'm just playing devils advocate to raise other points.

You're totally missing the point: since when is it ok for someone to tell anyone what they can and can't say?

The concept of freedom of speech is totally lost in this conversation, all people want to do today is impress their beliefs on others. Isn't that why the US was formed, to allow people to believe and say what they feel?

If someone is rude, inappropriate, ... ignore them. Bob Costas is grandstanding, and because of that more people are watching him, including the people that don't like him. Ignore him, don't watch him on TV, don't comment about him, let him fade into oblivion and then his network will listen.

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by Whostheboss

Is it Ok to call a mentally ill child a Retard even if he doesnt mind?
I'm not arguing against you, i'm just playing devils advocate to raise other points.

Here's comes the slippery slope. Retarded actually correctly defines the condition a person is afflicted with. It was the generally accepted term for decades but when it started being thrown around the schoolyard as a negative insult, it then became a very negative term.

[Whostheboss]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

So you think Native Americans are not mentally capable of understanding the term and therefore they must be protected by those who know better? Now who is being offensive?

Good point! I just watched that speech clip on youtube because i missed it last night.
From the looks of it, it appears that the Native Americans aren't offended.
It's also confusing to understand what Costas was trying to say. He mentioned the term "Redskins" honors the Natives then he turns around and says "Ask yourself what the equivalent would be, if directed toward African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, or members of any other ethnic group."

EDIT: Obviously i understand what he's saying. It's just the way he and NBC presented it

[DF]

Originally Posted by quagmire

A racial slur is still a racial slur. Trying to justify not changing the name by saying it isn't as big as the n word is ridiculous.

that term has no meaning behind it anymore. I havent ever heard used as a pejorative. How far do we take the offensive train? Change the fighting irish because it paints irish people to be angry drunks? The bucs because they were pirates and pirates robbed and killed people for a living. The saints because that offends non religious people?

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Can we also toss Joe Buck? I've never heard a person so obviously modulate their voice to sound deeper. It's embarrassing.

Every time they show him and Troy in the booth i expect Troy to be zipping up his pants and Buck wiping his mouth.

Originally Posted by quagmire

So it would be ok for me to name a team the Washington N word?

The term Redskin is a racial slur against native americans just like the n word is against blacks.

I don't have issues with teams like the Seminoles, Indians, Braves, etc. But, a racial slur has no business as a team name. If they want to change it to another Native American based name so they wouldn't have to change uniform /logo design, that's fine.

So you think when DC started a professional sports team, something they wanted to be proud of for decades to come, they decided to use a racial slur for their team name?

I mean, it's not just a name when choosing a name for a sports team. You want to choose something fierce, strong, majestic, powerful, unwavering, something to show that your team is all those things.

And instead of doing just that, you think they decided instead to choose a racial slur?

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

So you think when DC started a professional sports team, something they wanted to be proud of for decades to come, they decided to use a racial slur for their team name?

I mean, it's not just a name when choosing a name for a sports team. You want to choose something fierce, strong, majestic, powerful, unwavering, something to show that your team is all those things.

And instead of doing just that, you think they decided instead to choose a racial slur?

Something fierce, strong, majestic, powerful, unwavering... like a cardinal, a maple leaf, or a pair of colored socks.

I kid but I am completely with you. I think the Indians team name and depiction should have garnered more of this fake outrage than the Redskins team name by a mile.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by DF

that term has no meaning behind it anymore. I havent ever heard used as a pejorative. How far do we take the offensive train? Change the fighting irish because it paints irish people to be angry drunks? The bucs because they were pirates and pirates robbed and killed people for a living. The saints because that offends non religious people?

This. Exactly. And don't forget the Raiders, Vikings, Chiefs, Giants..... Don't even get started into other sports or leagues.

Where does it stop and who decides where it stops? This is ridiculous. This is an issue make up by do-good white people (don't mean to offend any white people by that term) for something they had no part in.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

Something fierce, strong, majestic, powerful, unwavering... like a cardinal, a maple leaf, or a pair of colored socks.

I kid but I am completely with you. I think the Indians team name and depiction should have garnered more of this fake outrage than the Redskins team name by a mile.

Totally agree. I think the term indian is worse than redskin.