[991GT3]

The LFA was the winner but not as impressively as the price tag would lead one to believe.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html


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[ciomas]

hehe, this is sad ;]

[SantaPimp27]

So much easier to mod the GTR though. With a tune it would take the LFA.

I would still prefer the LFA though. So exclusive

[M3_WC]

20 years from now, the GTR will be an epic classic. LFA will just be another overpriced supercar lost in supercar history. The LFA just dosn't have the "it" factor.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

20 years from now, the GTR will be an epic classic. LFA will just be another overpriced supercar lost in supercar history. The LFA just dosn't have the "it" factor.

No I think it'll actually be the other way around.

[MediaArtist]

Yeah, definitely the other way around.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Yeah, definitely the other way around.

Yeah I'm not taking anything away from the GT-R; it won't be looked at as "fail" at all, but compared to the LFA, the GT-R won't have the "it" factor.

[Memphis1]

all these comparisons are pointless... it's like walking up to donald trump and mockingly saying "my $200 seiko watch is just as accurate as your $60k jaeger le coultre"

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by memphis2012

all these comparisons are pointless... it's like walking up to donald trump and mockingly saying "my $200 seiko watch is just as accurate as your $60k jaeger le coultre"

Its a bad analogy unless exclusivity is the reason you buy a sports car.

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

Yeah, definitely the other way around.

No. One is an overpriced boutique car that'll will only be owned by rich guys that put them in their garages to collect dust. And one is a car that turned the high end sports car market upside down by creating a $80K car that $400k cars are compared against.
The GTR is the benchmark not the LFA.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Its a bad analogy unless exclusivity is the reason you buy a sports car.

Isn't exclusivity a major reason in just about any $400k sports car purchase?
Other reasons to buy the LFA over the GT-R:
- sound
- driving involvement
- throttle response
- likely to withstand far more punishing track lapping without overheating and major wear on components
- build quality
- generally insanely meticulous attention to detail (cue watch analogy)

[xg3]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

Yeah I'm not taking anything away from the GT-R; it won't be looked at as "fail" at all, but compared to the LFA, the GT-R won't have the "it" factor.

The GT-R has one thing it LFA doesn't has... GT-R was in Fast and the furious.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

No. One is an overpriced boutique car that'll will only be owned by rich guys that put them in their garages to collect dust. And one is a car that turned the high end sports car market upside down by creating a $80K car that $400k cars are compared against.
The GTR is the benchmark not the LFA.

I was under the impression that applicants had to prove/promise to drive them a certain amount. Also, I don't think that the GT-R will have quite the "it" factor of the LFA, sorry.

The GT-R is definitely all you have said it is, but I don't think your assessment of the LFA is accurate. But that's just my opinion.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

No. One is an overpriced boutique car that'll will only be owned by rich guys that put them in their garages to collect dust.

It's only overpriced if nobody buys it. Last I heard, they are pretty much sold out and Lexus are whittling down their "approved" list to determine final allocations.
The 2000GT has taught us that a car doesn't have to be superior to "rivals" to ensure a position of prestige. Compared 2000GT vs 240Z prices recently?

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by Guibo

Isn't exclusivity a major reason in just about any $400k sports car purchase?
Other reasons to buy the LFA over the GT-R:
- sound
- driving involvement
- throttle response
- likely to withstand far more punishing track lapping without overheating and major wear on components
- build quality
- generally insanely meticulous attention to detail (cue watch analogy)

Sounds like excuses. And WTH on the driver's involvement? The LFA is fully of electronics and lacks a straight stick. The only thing you could say is it's RWD not AWD.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

No. One is an overpriced boutique car that'll will only be owned by rich guys that put them in their garages to collect dust. And one is a car that turned the high end sports car market upside down by creating a $80K car that $400k cars are compared against.
The GTR is the benchmark not the LFA.

I'm not dissing the GT-R performance figures. I just don't agree that it will be held in higher regard than the LFA 20 years from now.

What does "boutique car" even mean?

[OBI_agent]

I love the gtr but the LFA's V10 sounds amazing

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by ragingclue

I was under the impression that applicants had to prove/promise to drive them a certain amount. Also, I don't think that the GT-R will have quite the "it" factor of the LFA, sorry.

The GT-R is definitely all you have said it is, but I don't think your assessment of the LFA is accurate. But that's just my opinion.

Thats SOP for all those high end vehicles.
It's a low production numbers will guarantee a few hundreds super rich guys will buy them.
The LFA is a great car but not $400k great. And what's an "it" factor? Really.
Snob appeal? The GTR redefined performance in the not too insane price range.
The LFA hasn't redefined anything. If I had $400k to spend on one sports car it wouldn't be an LFA. Practiaclly any Ferrari or Lambo would be preferable.
I'd probably opt for the upcoming GT2 or Turbo S over it.
And I would guess most car nuts would buy something else too if given that choice. How about you?

[991GT3]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

I'm not dissing the GT-R performance figures. I just don't agree that it will be held in higher regard than the LFA 20 years from now.

What does "boutique car" even mean?

I mean a car that people like Jay Leno buys then parks them.
Limited production vehicls that won't see much practical (or track) use.
LFAs won't see much street time regardless of what Toyota says.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Thats SOP for all those high end vehicles.
It's a low production numbers will guarantee a few hundreds super rich guys will buy them.
The LFA is a great car but not $400k great. And what's an "it" factor? Really.
Snob appeal? The GTR redined performance in the not too insane price range.
The LFA hasn't refined anything. If I had $400k to spend on one sports car it wouldn't be an LFA. Practiaclly any Ferrari or Lambo would be preferable.
I'd probably opt for the upcoming GT2 or Turbo S over it.
And I would guess most car nuts would buy something else too if given that choice. How about you?

I thought we were talking about 20 years down the road. Chances are, the GT-R's will be driven "as they should be" by that point in time. I'm not saying I would drop $400k on the LFA. I simply stated it'll have more "it" factor than the GT-R in 20 years.

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

Sounds like excuses. And WTH on the driver's involvement? The LFA is fully of electronics and lacks a straight stick. The only thing you could say is it's RWD not AWD.

You call them excuses, others who are actually buying this thing consider them reasons.
The LFA's electronics are defeatable. The GT-R's AWD is not. GT-R also lacks a straight stick. And unlike the GT-R, the LFA's driving experience has been likened to not just a regular F430, but to the Scuderia. That is the level of response and involvement. This coming from people who have actually driven it. When you drove the LFA, did it not impress you?

[Guibo]

Originally Posted by 997GT3

I'd probably opt for the upcoming GT2 or Turbo S over it.

The upcoming GT2 (RS?) is, what, twice the price of a ZR1 or ACR. Do you honestly think it represents twice the level of objective performance?