[spikes111]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90

Looks like the muscle cars war is officially on (between this, mustang and challenger).

[sbw]

I say the new Camaro lasts three years tops. May be a bigger failure than the revived Pontiac GTO. GM never learns.

[aapriadi]

and dont forget camaro's primary rival, the new dodge challenger, will be released earlier too

[Gearcraft]

im not very familiar with muscle cars but how do these new muscle cars handle? are they the same old ones that just go fast on a stright line? not trying to compare the muscle cars just curious.

BTW, there's a red magnum SRT in my work with huge wheels and huge brembo brakes. looks hot and mean at the same time IMO.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by Gearcraft

im not very familiar with muscle cars but how do these new muscle cars handle? are they the same old ones that just go fast on a stright line? not trying to compare the muscle cars just curious.

BTW, there's a red magnum SRT in my work with huge wheels and huge brembo brakes. looks hot and mean at the same time IMO.

my dad has a new gto and it handles pretty darn well. i wouldn't say like a bmw but it is so ridiculously fast it makes up for it. now if only they could fix their quality-he's had tons of issues with cheap build quality.

[ScBlacksunshine]

nice, but it'll be funny when it comes time to restyle for next gen. Just look at the VW beetle and how much trouble they're having in redesigning and evolving the retrol look second time around

[sbw]

I'm surprised GM green-lighted Camaro production. The new retro-cued Mustang has not been as big a success as Ford had hoped. If the legendary Mustang can't be a sales winner (not to mention the GTO), how can a lesser muscle car like the Camaro be one?!

And by the time the Camaro hits showrooms, gas will be more expensive and muscle cars will really be on the way out — much like how SUVs and trucks are on the way out right now, while crossovers come in.

Generally, sporty two-doors are a dying breed. Bye-bye RSX, Celica, GTO, etc.

GM needs to pay more attention to the mass market and hit some home runs there first, before fiddling around with a niche two-door. Like DaimlerChrysler has done with the 300 and derivatives (Charger, Magnum). DaimlerChrysler can afford to throw another car on this platform (Challenger) that may not do well or may just do average. It's already made a killing with the others.

[ksfrogman]

The Challenger is going to be awesome. As much as I'm a Mustang fan (I've had a '67 and a '77), the new one still lacks the fluid curves of the 1967, 68, and 69 models. The new concept had nice retro lights; the actual development car has cheap looking plastic headlight units.

The new "retro" Camaro has a hint of Corvette sleekness. It's cool looking, but doesn't give me goosebumps in its attempt to emulate the classic Camaros, because it simply doesn't.

Whenever I drive by a 10-year-old GM car, I see the sagging doors, uneven body parts, uneven gaps, shrinking plastic panels, squeaks and rattles. The new Camaro's only redeeming quality would be the classic small block pushrod V8 and American HP/Torque.

[John]

muscle car look ugly to me.

[ScBlacksunshine]

Originally Posted by ksfrogman

The Challenger is going to be awesome. As much as I'm a Mustang fan (I've had a '67 and a '77), the new one still lacks the fluid curves of the 1967, 68, and 69 models. The new concept had nice retro lights; the actual development car has cheap looking plastic headlight units.

I wonder if Chrysler will come out with the "Retro" Barracuda, the classic one was my all time favorite. Now, where's the new retro 2002 at?

[bavarian19]

I like the looks of the new camaro, but am seriously questioning build quality, materials, and reliability...

[sbw]

The new retro BMW 2002? You're driving it!!!

[Gearcraft]

Originally Posted by ScBlacksunshine

I wonder if Chrysler will come out with the "Retro" Barracuda, the classic one was my all time favorite. Now, where's the new retro 2002 at?

it would be really interesting to see a real 2002 retro.

[jojogargoles]

Its so funny that when i saw the link to that camaro the people at the backgound are all WHITE!

well at least they are patriot enough to support their own product.... ahhh still dont like american cars they still doesnt have a good quality in general!

2-3 years after production of that car you will see them in the junk yard

[DLJJ3399]

Originally Posted by ScBlacksunshine

I wonder if Chrysler will come out with the "Retro" Barracuda, the classic one was my all time favorite. Now, where's the new retro 2002 at?

I wish, I love that car!!!

[ksfrogman]

Originally Posted by ScBlacksunshine

I wonder if Chrysler will come out with the "Retro" Barracuda.

+1.

That '71 Hemi 'cuda is da bomb.

[E90-4life]

I'd advise to anyone that wants to talk bad about the new Camaro, go take a look at the concept in the flesh first. That car is hott!!! I know I got goose bumps when I saw it.

[ska///235i]

not so good looking

[sbw]

I saw the Camaro in the flesh at several auto shows this year. Didn't give me goose pimples, like it did for E90-4life. Gave me something else.

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by sbw

I'm surprised GM green-lighted Camaro production. The new retro-cued Mustang has not been as big a success as Ford had hoped. If the legendary Mustang can't be a sales winner (not to mention the GTO), how can a lesser muscle car like the Camaro be one?!

And by the time the Camaro hits showrooms, gas will be more expensive and muscle cars will really be on the way out — much like how SUVs and trucks are on the way out right now, while crossovers come in.

Generally, sporty two-doors are a dying breed. Bye-bye RSX, Celica, GTO, etc.

GM needs to pay more attention to the mass market and hit some home runs there first, before fiddling around with a niche two-door. Like DaimlerChrysler has done with the 300 and derivatives (Charger, Magnum). DaimlerChrysler can afford to throw another car on this platform (Challenger) that may not do well or may just do average. It's already made a killing with the others.

1. i dont know from where did u get the info that mustang isnt a sales winner?? it has been successful so far, i couldn't believe that top gear ppl, who hate american cars, actually loved it!!!

2. who says the camaro is lesser muscle car than the mustang??

3. plzzzzz dont compare the CAMARO and other american muscles to RSX and Celica.

[BMW320i]

muscle cars look B E A U T I F U L to me

[Luongo]

Chevy