DTC saved my life

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 06:18 AM

In an undisclosed location at an undisclosed time at an undisclosed speed, I took a right hander WAY too quickly and braked mid corner while turning to initiate loss of traction. Let's just say there were huge trees surrounding me, and I fishtailed violently four or five times; the back kicked out way too much for comfort. The undisclosed drivers of the car behind me thought I was dead for sure. I had DSC off, but DTC on, and I countersteered in small increments, but basically the computer saved me from getting split in two.

Of course, after sobering up from the incident, I turned DSC fully on and cruised the rest of the way back. I just got home and I'm glad I'm alive.

NFS · 08-10-2006, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

In an undisclosed location at an undisclosed time at an undisclosed speed, I took a right hander WAY too quickly and braked mid corner while turning to initiate loss of traction. Let's just say there were huge trees surrounding me, and I fishtailed violently four or five times; the back kicked out way too much for comfort. The undisclosed drivers of the car behind me thought I was dead for sure. I had DSC off, but DTC on, and I countersteered in small increments, but basically the computer saved me from getting split in two.

Of course, after sobering up from the incident, I turned DSC fully on and cruised the rest of the way back. I just got home and I'm glad I'm alive.

Glad your alright Shim ... it's easy done ....

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 07:47 AM

Yeah, what's bad is that I wish I caught it on film!

mds82 · 08-10-2006, 08:01 AM

what would we do without you here shim! Glad to hear your ok.

sixspeedsam · 08-10-2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

Yeah, what's bad is that I wish I caught it on film!

Let's see it!

Didn't they teach you anything at the autocross -- don't lift, don't lift, don't lift!!!

Seriously though, glad you're OK. The streets of Fairfax are safe once again.

E36_325i · 08-10-2006, 08:48 AM

I've heard a lot stories like "DTC or DSC saved me again". I only see 2 reasons for turning it off. 1. If your stuck in snow 2. If your at the track.

Glad your OK. Thats just scary to think about.

KL2DC · 08-10-2006, 08:55 AM

Shim, I don't get it...you're too slow in the straight and too fast in the turns....something's not right

P.s. glad you're alright. Is this a new incident or the old incident?

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sixspeedsam

Let's see it!

Didn't they teach you anything at the autocross -- don't lift, don't lift, don't lift!!!

Seriously though, glad you're OK. The streets of Fairfax are safe once again.

When I was countersteering, I was back on the throttle progressively. I reacted like I was in GT4 lawl

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

Shim, I don't get it...you're too slow in the straight and too fast in the turns....something's not right

P.s. glad you're alright. Is this a new incident or the old incident?

This happened today.

KL2DC · 08-10-2006, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

This happened today.

Shoot...glad to see you're ok. From now on any Tiff Needel impersonations should be confined on the auto-x, GT4 or in your mind, ok.

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

Shoot...glad to see you're ok. From now on any Tiff Needel impersonations should be confined on the auto-x, GT4 or in your mind, ok.

You could only accomplish what I did on the track.

KL2DC · 08-10-2006, 09:25 AM

Looking back at your initial description, wouldn't having the DTC off initiate a smoother and more controllable slide preventing the on-off upsetting fishtailing? I mean without the fishtailing, you could've rode out the slide, right?

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

Looking back at your initial description, wouldn't having the DTC off initiate a smoother and more controllable slide preventing the on-off upsetting fishtailing? I mean without the fishtailing, you could've rode out the slide, right?

If DTC were off, then I would have still fishtailed, albeit only twice and then slammed into a tree. The first two swings were the biggest, then they progressively shrunk until I was able to straighten myself out. Kinda like a dying pendulum.

KL2DC · 08-10-2006, 09:38 AM

Sounds too me you initiated drift by combination of feint and braking but maybe didn't modulate the throttle/steering well enough and also the DTC would have disrupted your drift momentum causing you to fishtail a few times. With the DTC off and with proper steering/countersteering and throttle modulation (and of course space and consistent traction) you should've no problem drifting smoothly and recovering.

Fishtailing is scary

Bet you needed a fresh pair of 'fruit of the looms' after that incident

shimshimhada · 08-10-2006, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KL2DC

Sounds too me you initiated drift by combination of feint and braking but maybe didn't modulate the throttle/steering well enough and also the DTC would have disrupted your drift momentum causing you to fishtail a few times. With the DTC off and with proper steering/countersteering and throttle modulation (and of course space and consistent traction) you should've no problem drifting smoothly and recovering.

Fishtailing is scary

Bet you needed a fresh pair of 'fruit of the looms' after that incident

lol, the guys behind me thought I was drifting, until I started to swerve horribly.

Luckily, my bowels were empty at the time.

KL2DC · 08-10-2006, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shimshimhada

lol, the guys behind me thought I was drifting, until I started to swerve horribly.

Luckily, my bowels were empty at the time.

True, you would have left skid marks in at least 2 locations

MrSilver · 08-10-2006, 09:50 AM

Glad you're ok!!!

KL2DC · 08-10-2006, 09:56 AM

as usual, your video camera was nowhere to be seen....

Shim, save your drifting for the mazda event, just make sure you do it when you are about to leave...they will and can revoke your right to drive when they deem you too reckless....

John · 08-10-2006, 11:02 AM

yep. good to see your in good health.
e90post wouldn't be the same without shim posting!

BMW F22 · 08-10-2006, 11:15 AM

damn, our E90post's infamous Orange was almost squeezed into juice if it wasnt for DTC. glad you're alright man.

SoYank · 08-10-2006, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sixspeedsam

The streets of Fairfax are safe once again.

Wait a minute. That implies that they were safe at one time.

lux.sh · 08-10-2006, 12:12 PM

lol shim. becareful man.

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