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      04-30-2009, 04:36 PM   #1
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MotorTrend: Camaro V6 against Genesis V6



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FIRST PLACE: Hyundai Genesis Coupe
Best viewed from behind the wheel, where it handles entertaining roads more like a sports car than a pony- or musclecar.
SECOND PLACE: Chevrolet Camaro
Powerful, refined V-6 and enough style to lend some to Hyundai, its weight and size make it less entertaining on second- and third-gear roads.
It was a very good read. I still dont know which one I would pick if I were in the market. onder:
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      04-30-2009, 05:54 PM   #2
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I'd go with the Camaro over the Genesis. For the same price as a 2.0T track you can get a Camaro V6 LT1 RS (I think the LT1, whatever the one under the one with leather standard is).

Also, I happened to be driving by the Hyundai dealership with my GF in the car when she said out loud, "What in the hell is that car at the Hyundai dealership? It looks really good!"

I figured it was the Genesis and since I haven't seen one in person I pulled a u-turn to take a closer peek. Sure enough it was a 2.0T Premium w/ Auto. Not bad looking, but there seemed to be a slight fitment issue with the window against the car since the door doesn't have a frame around the window. Anyways it wasn't that bad until I looked at the price. $26,250! That RS V6 is only around $1,500 more. Then it got even worse. I looked to the left of the info sticker and it had one of those dealer price sheets. The price for the car was $31,250! I wondered what the hell they had done to it that added 5G's so I looked up and it was "Market Adjustment".

They are charging a 5G premium over MSRP for a 2.0T Auto in this market! HAHA! GL with that. While the Camaro undoubtedly has a markup as well, its rich history is enough to justify it.
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Camaro for me. Nice read, thanks for posting.
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That is UTTERLY retarded. Market adjustment in this economy for an econo car?
come on.

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I wondered what the hell they had done to it that added 5G's so I looked up and it was "Market Adjustment".

They are charging a 5G premium over MSRP for a 2.0T Auto in this market! HAHA! GL with that. While the Camaro undoubtedly has a markup as well, its rich history is enough to justify it.
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Genesis does what Camardon't.
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It's a bit of an unfair comparison since the true Camaro is not the V6, whereas that's as good as it gets for the Hyundai. They may price similarly, but if I were shopping a muscle car, I wouldn't bother with the weakling.
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That is UTTERLY retarded. Market adjustment in this economy for an econo car?
come on.
I shit you not. I'll even go take a picture of it to prove it (not that your questioning me or anything). To charge a 20% premium over MSRP for a friking Hyundai when auto sales are down 50% from the year before is asinine.
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that would explain why i havent seen a single one on the road.
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That is UTTERLY retarded. Market adjustment in this economy for an econo car?
come on.
I agree. Even the Genesis sedan is selling at a discounted price (not many months after its introduction).
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premium pack includes more options than just the auto. thats why there's a price difference.

Camaro...ugh no thanks
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premium pack includes more options than just the auto. thats why there's a price difference.

Camaro...ugh no thanks
What price difference are you talking about.
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you mentioned the $5000 price for auto. that was what i was referring to. it's the "PREMIUM PACK" that cost so much
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      04-30-2009, 10:29 PM   #13
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you mentioned the $5000 price for auto. that was what i was referring to. it's the "PREMIUM PACK" that cost so much
I think you misunderstood me. The car's MSRP was $26,375. Go on Hyundai's website. The 2.0T Premium with Automatic is $25,500. Add $750 destination and you get $26,250, I don't know where the dealer got an extra hundred from. The car at the dealer had the normal window sticker on it saying $26,375, but to the side it had an extra pricing sheet, you know the one where they add dealer installed options like tint, etc? Well the price at the bottom of that was $31,375. When I looked what added an extra $5,000 over MSRP all it said was "ADM" which is administration fee or essentially a markup. So they want $31,375 for a 4cyl turbo Hyundai with cloth seats, manual air conditioning, and a auto transmission... Here are the pictures of the window sticker to show you:
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OHHh the dealer sets actual prices. it's called ADJUSTED MARKET VALUE

like how they jack the price of GTR's from 70k MSRP to 150k!

Idea is, that no ones gonna pay that stupid mark up but if the dealer say OH I'll bring the price down to $26k(which is MSRP), it seems like the dealer is giving you a substantial discount, which they're not. normal consumers don't know that
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OHHh the dealer sets actual prices. it's called ADJUSTED MARKET VALUE

like how they jack the price of GTR's from 70k MSRP to 150k!

Idea is, that no ones gonna pay that stupid mark up but if the dealer say OH I'll bring the price down to $26k(which is MSRP), it seems like the dealer is giving you a substantial discount, which they're not. normal consumers don't know that
I promise you, no dealer has ever sold a GT-R for $150,000.
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Passing a Hyundai store this morning and saw a coupe. I pulled in and they had 12.

A gray 3.8 track looked decent but the front end, in person, looks pretty busy. $30 and change. A 2.0 track in silver with black/red cloth was $27 and change. No mark up on any.

The metallic light green was...well....

Interior looks nice and the finishes are pretty nice. The seats look very snug/comfy. Back seat appears to be some what functional.
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Since I don't track my vehicles I'd get the Camaro for a nice road cruiser. That thing looks incredibly hot.
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I'd take the genesis over the camaro but damn that mark up doesn't make any sense.....
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the camaro would get the girls
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I promise you, no dealer has ever sold a GT-R for $150,000.
no, but they were 100 here and all sold
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