[Carnut12]

I currently own a Tesla Model S, I do like it, but I also miss the build quality of German cars. I’ve owned multiple BMW’s, still own a ‘98 M Roadster.

My wife owned an XC90 T-8, it was our first PHEV and we loved it. She is now on her second Tesla Y. I would definitely be ordering the 550e or X5 50e, the 30 plus miles of electric range is very nice to have. I noticed building both the X5 is actually cheaper, I’m not sure why that is the case.

Am I missing something? I do love the hatchback of the S, it’s almost like having a wagon from a convenience standpoint.

Thank you!!

[ToddRGuy]

Originally Posted by Carnut12

I currently own a Tesla Model S, I do like it, but I also miss the build quality of German cars. I’ve owned multiple BMW’s, still own a ‘98 M Roadster.

My wife owned an XC90 T-8, it was our first PHEV and we loved it. She is now on her second Tesla Y. I would definitely be ordering the 550e or X5 50e, the 30 plus miles of electric range is very nice to have. I noticed building both the X5 is actually cheaper, I’m not sure why that is the case.

Am I missing something? I do love the hatchback of the S, it’s almost like having a wagon from a convenience standpoint.

Thank you!!

I think we'd need to know how you're spec'ing each vehicle to comment. When I price the X5 50e with the options I'd want, I end up at $87,800. A fully optioned 550e comes in at $87,575 for me.

[Carnut12]

I equipped both loaded, each comes out to $86-88k so you are dead on, but at that price you get air suspension and extended leather on the X5. I just watched Savagegeese review he likes both cars a lot, but mentions the same thing. I guess it just depends on if you want a sedan or SUV.

[ToddRGuy]

Originally Posted by Carnut12

I equipped both loaded, each comes out to $86-88k so you are dead on, but at that price you get air suspension and extended leather on the X5. I just watched Savagegeese review he likes both cars a lot, but mentions the same thing. I guess it just depends on if you want a sedan or SUV.

Yes, I think your right. The decision road ultimately arrives at that juncture. I’m picking up my 540 on Saturday, as it finally made its way over from Germany.

Prior to the purchase I went back and forth between the X5 and G60. Coming from a low slung Audi A5 Sportback, either is an improvement in height, but ultimately I just wasn’t ready for an SUV yet.

The secondary consideration for me was that the X5’s current platform is nearing end of life, while the G60 is just beginning its voyage. 2027 is just around the corner, so I’m sure it’ll delay some people’s decision making and hasten others who fear what the next model might morph into! lol.

Perhaps, when my next purchase rolls around I’ll be more inclined to go with an SUV or BEV or both ☺️

[sarafil]

I’m biased as an X5 owner but really do think the current-gen X5 is the best overall vehicle BMW makes today. It has all of the modern tech from the new 5 series without all of the cost cutting and cheap materials.

[Blue Sky]

The door cards are a little better looking, but sensafin standard is a step down from the G60 standard veganza, so you have to get merino to avoid sitting on a rock in the X5.

[sarafil]

Originally Posted by Blue Sky

The door cards are a little better looking, but sensafin standard is a step down from the G60 standard veganza, so you have to get merino to avoid sitting on a rock in the X5.

I would get leather on either one - not a fan of Sensafin or Veganza. X5 also has much nicer materials on door panels/dash which is another plus.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by sarafil

I would get leather on either one - not a fan of Sensafin or Veganza. X5 also has much nicer materials on door panels/dash which is another plus.

Have you sat in a Veganza G60? It’s a step up in terms of non-leather leather.

[sarafil]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

Have you sat in a Veganza G60? It’s a step up in terms of non-leather leather.

Yes, still a no-go for me. Agree it is probably the nicest non-leather options out there but I want the real thing.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Blue Sky

The door cards are a little better looking, but sensafin standard is a step down from the G60 standard veganza, so you have to get merino to avoid sitting on a rock in the X5.

Originally Posted by sarafil

I’m biased as an X5 owner but really do think the current-gen X5 is the best overall vehicle BMW makes today. It has all of the modern tech from the new 5 series without all of the cost cutting and cheap materials.

+1
Completely agree with this.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Blue Sky

The door cards are a little better looking, but sensafin standard is a step down from the G60 standard veganza, so you have to get merino to avoid sitting on a rock in the X5.

I think sensafin and veganza are closer to each other than either one is to merino.
Sensafin has also been around longer for a durability track record.
I’m honestly skeptical of anything in the g60 as being more premium than a prior product as the cost cutting is 1000% everywhere.

[Blue Sky]

Originally Posted by sarafil

I would get leather on either one - not a fan of Sensafin or Veganza. X5 also has much nicer materials on door panels/dash which is another plus.

I did just say that. Door cards are better looking in the X5, but Sensafin as standard is a step down. Both can have merino. Thus the assertion that X5 is more premium, G60 is more cost cutting seems only tenuous. In fact, without paying extra for merino in either, the G60 veganza seating surface is better than the sensafin in the X5. Thus cost cutting in the X5 seems worse on the butt forcing the customer to pay extra for merino, but easier on the eyes with the door cards.

Too bad BMW Individual dash and door trims aren’t available on anything anymore. Sorry, but both vehicles door cards don’t look as good as my M5 with two different wood trim kits installed (rosewood along the entire dash, and honeywood on the 4 doors). Everybody at the local BMW shop I go to get smiles when I bring my car in and usually somebody asks if they can buy my car. But those options not standard. Taycan standard doors are pretty plain, plasticy and not great either. You can dress them up with leather and wood, neodym or body paint, but you pay extra for any of that at Porsche prices.

Pick your poison. I can live with plain door cards, because I never look at them when I am in the car, my focus is on the road. But seat comfort is of prime importance to me. I find veganza quite comfortable, and though I have merino on other cars, I don’t like the looks of the merino options in the G60.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Blue Sky

I did just say that. Door cards are better looking in the X5, but Sensafin as standard is a step down. Both can have merino. Thus the assertion that X5 is more premium, G60 is more cost cutting seems only tenuous. In fact, without paying extra for merino in either, the G60 veganza seating surface is better than the sensafin in the X5. Thus cost cutting in the X5 seems worse on the butt forcing the customer to pay extra for merino, but easier on the eyes with the door cards.

Too bad BMW Individual dash and door trims aren’t available on anything anymore. Sorry, but both vehicles door cards don’t look as good as my M5 with two different wood trim kits installed (rosewood along the entire dash, and honeywood on the 4 doors). Everybody at the local BMW shop I go to get smiles when I bring my car in and usually somebody asks if they can buy my car. But those options not standard. Taycan standard doors are pretty plain, plasticy and not great either. You can dress them up with leather and wood, neodym or body paint, but you pay extra for any of that at Porsche prices.

Pick your poison. I can live with plain door cards, because I never look at them when I am in the car, my focus is on the road. But seat comfort is of prime importance to me. I find veganza quite comfortable, and though I have merino on other cars, I don’t like the looks of the merino options in the G60.

The merino upgrade is $500 more on the g60 and IMO would include less actual leather since the arm rest area on the door that would be covered is so tiny. Sooo more for less… great..

I have venganza now. I’m not convinced at all it’s better than sensafin.
Besides the seating material debate here, many other places in the g60 are less than the g05. Are we really debating that?

[sarafil]

Originally Posted by Blue Sky

I did just say that. Door cards are better looking in the X5, but Sensafin as standard is a step down. Both can have merino. Thus the assertion that X5 is more premium, G60 is more cost cutting seems only tenuous. In fact, without paying extra for merino in either, the G60 veganza seating surface is better than the sensafin in the X5. Thus cost cutting in the X5 seems worse on the butt forcing the customer to pay extra for merino, but easier on the eyes with the door cards.

Too bad BMW Individual dash and door trims aren’t available on anything anymore. Sorry, but both vehicles door cards don’t look as good as my M5 with two different wood trim kits installed (rosewood along the entire dash, and honeywood on the 4 doors). Everybody at the local BMW shop I go to get smiles when I bring my car in and usually somebody asks if they can buy my car. But those options not standard. Taycan standard doors are pretty plain, plasticy and not great either. You can dress them up with leather and wood, neodym or body paint, but you pay extra for any of that at Porsche prices.

Pick your poison. I can live with plain door cards, because I never look at them when I am in the car, my focus is on the road. But seat comfort is of prime importance to me. I find veganza quite comfortable, and though I have merino on other cars, I don’t like the looks of the merino options in the G60.

There are ALOT of things better about the X5 beyond the door cards. I could go on for hours. 😂

-dash materials (including leather option)
-center console look/feel & materials
-still has storage pocket next to steering column
-door pockets are lined, not hard/cheap plastic
-pano moonroof that opens
-soft close doors still available
-door sills (can’t believe I’m calling out something as basic as this - a sign of how deep they cut cost on the new 5)
-real comfort seats that are SIGNIFICANTLY more comfortable, including available massage option

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by sarafil

There are ALOT of things better about the X5 beyond the door cards. I could go on for hours. 😂

-dash materials (including leather option)
-center console look/feel & materials
-still has storage pocket next to steering column
-door pockets are lined, not hard/cheap plastic
-pano moonroof that opens
-soft close doors still available
-door sills (can’t believe I’m calling out something as basic as this - a sign of how deep they cut cost on the new 5)
-real comfort seats that are SIGNIFICANTLY more comfortable, including available massage option

I’d like to add..

Seat back pockets
Middle arm rest with pop out cup holders
4zone rear climate control lol!!!
Windshield wipers with fluid dispensers that spray the window not just leak out of the wipers!!
Multiple suspension options
An idrive controller that is dble the thickness and works
Idrive 8.5 which is much better none of this mymodes crap that makes no freaking sense.
Can choose a seat option then a material - in the g60 they clearly are optimizing cost and you get no option for luxury sests with certain color choice and material - has to be cost cutting in the assembly line.
Alcantara headliner
A real BW sound system upgrade

Clearly I wish the g05 had a better EV option. If the 50e covered 75% of my commute I would have done it.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I’d like to add..

Seat back pockets
Middle arm rest with pop out cup holders
4zone rear climate control lol!!!
Windshield wipers with fluid dispensers that spray the window not just leak out of the wipers!!
Multiple suspension options
An idrive controller that is dble the thickness and works
Idrive 8.5 which is much better none of this mymodes crap that makes no freaking sense.
Can choose a seat option then a material - in the g60 they clearly are optimizing cost and you get no option for luxury sests with certain color choice and material - has to be cost cutting in the assembly line.
Alcantara headliner
A real BW sound system upgrade

Clearly I wish the g05 had a better EV option. If the 50e covered 75% of my commute I would have done it.

The G60s all run iDrive 8.5. Still a mystery why four zone climate is so elusive on the G60 in the U.S. Personally I really enjoy my modes and the various ways the modes change performance, ambient lighting, etc.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by LVBMW

The G60s all run iDrive 8.5. Still a mystery why four zone climate is so elusive on the G60 in the U.S.

So I guess that’s my lack of understanding.
Why does a g60 have mymodes and a g05 doesn’t? I thought that was difference btw 8.5 and 9.0

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

So I guess that’s my lack of understanding.
Why does a g60 have mymodes and a g05 doesn’t? I thought that was difference btw 8.5 and 9.0

iDrive 9 is only on lower tier models currently (those without an iDrive controller). Not sure why no my modes on the X5, but it’s probably coming there too eventually as it’s appearing on more and more models.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I’d like to add..

Seat back pockets
Middle arm rest with pop out cup holders
4zone rear climate control lol!!!
Windshield wipers with fluid dispensers that spray the window not just leak out of the wipers!!
Multiple suspension options
An idrive controller that is dble the thickness and works
Idrive 8.5 which is much better none of this mymodes crap that makes no freaking sense.
Can choose a seat option then a material - in the g60 they clearly are optimizing cost and you get no option for luxury sests with certain color choice and material - has to be cost cutting in the assembly line.
Alcantara headliner
A real BW sound system upgrade

Clearly I wish the g05 had a better EV option. If the 50e covered 75% of my commute I would have done it.

Honestly not sure why you got the G60 at this point?

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

Honestly not sure why you got the G60 at this point?

I’m sorry - I shouldn’t own a car bc I can be objective when evaluating its material and features against a car that has better? It’s still a great car, but the interior of the g05 is better.. I guess it’s hard to accept for some.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I’m sorry - I shouldn’t own a car bc I can be objective when evaluating its material and features against a car that has better? It’s still a great car, but the interior of the g05 is better.. I guess it’s hard to accept for some.

Fair….just seems odd to have such a long list of complaints for a newly acquired car.

[Blue Sky]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I’m sorry - I shouldn’t own a car bc I can be objective when evaluating its material and features against a car that has better? It’s still a great car, but the interior of the g05 is better.. I guess it’s hard to accept for some.

Are you objective?

On 10/26/2024 you posted that the iX M50 you just got was disappointing to you.

Not sure when you moved to the i5 M60, but by December (a bit over a month later) you were posting about things that were wrong with it, and that it isn't as good as one or more previous M550's you had. Even though you didn't order it, and didn't get one with DHP and didn't test drive one with DHP, you were sure that it couldn't handle anywhere near as good as the M550i. While I doubt this conclusion, it also skips the point that you probably just bailed out of the iX and landed in a M60 (probably a buy-back trade for something on the lot authorized by the GM).

You have a lot of posts on the G05 forum. Seems like you'd rather have one of those. You seem pretty sure that sensafin is the same as veganza, even though I test drove two cars back-to-back to check this out (i4 sensafin, i5 veganza), and was in the lounge fondling the material samples while my sales assistant was fishing up the next set of test-drive keys from the vault. I'm fine with personal opinions of comfort being different, but sorry, objectively these are not the same material and veganza is softer and far less obvious man-made material than the tougher feeling stamped/moulded sensafin with the visibly repeating grain pattern.

On 12/23/2024 you posted that you've had 6 cars in two years and have experienced buyers remorse multiple times. This indicates poor decision making.

I think you need to improve your vehicle shopping skills, do showroom visits and test drives (multiple times) of different vehicles without committing to a purchase. Raining complaints about this and that car just because you are unhappy doesn't mean that those are purchases that noone should make and that noone can be satisfied with, it means that you aren't happy and not satisfied. And that's on you and your selection process.