[jgkappiah6]

Six months since I had my car and this is the first winter and today I noticed that the range was only 151 miles With 80% battery charge.
It is very cold with the temperature in the morning only 24°F by the windchill was -3.

Have you all noticed something like this?

[finn123]

Originally Posted by jgkappiah6

Six months since I had my car and this is the first winter and today I noticed that the range was only 151 miles With 80% battery charge.
It is very cold with the temperature in the morning only 24°F by the windchill was -3.

Have you all noticed something like this?

Yes, I see the same range.

My Taycan used to be giving a bit better range, but it was lying giving consumption was >24kwh/100km (same net battery capacity as i5).

[RichardInCA]

There’s a lot been written about this across several forums that’s worth reading. Bottom line - it’s entire to be expected. A few thoughts:

- the range on the screen is entirely a guess-o-meter based upon how the car thinks you’ll be driving it. Your efficiency number (mi/kWh) is good to track to understand energy consumption of the car

- a whole host of things can really eat up efficiency - colder temperatures/cold air is denser than warm air so air resistance goes up, as it does with rain/slush etc on the ground, but energy required to warm the car is a big drain (a poster in the iX forum measured their “at rest” consumption in the cold and found their car was using 7+kW to heat the cabin!!!) being conservative in driving style will help to reduce the impact of winter conditions

- consensus is that preconditioning the car’s cabin before you head out and making more use of the steering wheel and seat warmers over higher temps on the cabin AC can help reduce drain

[jgkappiah6]

Thanks

[mjr24]

Yep, I have an i7 and it's about the same temp here and big decrease in range......kind of sucks but I guess I expected it based off what other people said. Afraid to see the range when it's 0, LOL...

[Mattl0806]

Is there a big drop off at a certain temp?
Northeast (LI / CT) area. Its got colder here recently high 20s F during my morning commute - I’m still seeing 2.8-2.9m / kw. Trip home - temps are in the mid 30s and avg 3.0-3.1. My total commute average has been staying steady at around 2.9-3.0. I just got this car so I don’t know what warm temps would yield. My guess is around 3.3-3.4. So this would mean less than a 20% drop off so far which is not too bad.

Does it really exponentially fall off a cliff at some lower temperature or does it stay declining gradually and linear as temps go further down?

[dsgs]

I think it depends a lot on how you drive. It's around zero here (32°F) and the 100% range estimate is currently 315 km (under 200 miles). In the summer, when I was doing long road trips, the range estimate peaked at 500 km (just over 300 miles). Lately it's all short trips. There isn't enough time for the battery to get up to a good temperature, and a lot of energy is spent heating the cabin.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by dsgs

I think it depends a lot on how you drive. It's around zero here (32°F) and the 100% range estimate is currently 315 km (under 200 miles). In the summer, when I was doing long road trips, the range estimate peaked at 500 km (just over 300 miles). Lately it's all short trips. There isn't enough time for the battery to get up to a good temperature, and a lot of energy is spent heating the cabin.

That makes perfect sense. At 32f I’d still expect at least 2.8/kw given a decent length trip. This is 225 miles worst case. Prob get closer to 3/kw at 32f.

[SkykingUSA]

[BMW5151]

So the range in a 550e in very cold weather will be maybe 10-20 miles on pure electric? Also will quickly limit the combined performance. I feel lucky to live in SoCal, and no need to travel to cold climates in the car. Seems that EVs and PHEVs are not the ideal vehicles to use when going skiing.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by BMW5151

So the range in a 550e in very cold weather will be maybe 10-20 miles on pure electric? Also will quickly limit the combined performance. I feel lucky to live in SoCal, and no need to travel to cold climates in the car. Seems that EVs and PHEVs are not the ideal vehicles to use when going skiing.

I think 10-20 is drastic.
Bmw quotes it at 33 miles for US.
If you lose 20% you’d be looking at 26-27 miles. You should never be in the teens.

No expert on this but there is always a reserve for electric power assist. So even if the battery is 0. You floor the gas pedal you will have juice from battery. Now obviously that juice won’t last forever - but unless your tracking your car it would be enough for whatever spirited acceleration you are doing. That reserve is replenished from the ICE motor itself or brake regen. It will always be there for daily driving.
A member on g05 forum has measured his 50e with 0 battery and saw some small increase in 0-60 times compared to full charge but it was clear the e motor was still contributing a substantial amount

[Scrapula]

My average for the month is 2.5 miles/kWh. The battery is 81.2 kWh usable. This works out to 203 miles. It will get a bit worse during winter, but it doesn’t affect my daily driving. Snow increases rolling resistance, snow tires increase rolling resistance. It’s not just the cold.

[RichardInCA]

Originally Posted by SkykingUSA

Excellent summary

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Is there a big drop off at a certain temp?
Northeast (LI / CT) area. Its got colder here recently high 20s F during my morning commute - I’m still seeing 2.8-2.9m / kw. Trip home - temps are in the mid 30s and avg 3.0-3.1. My total commute average has been staying steady at around 2.9-3.0. I just got this car so I don’t know what warm temps would yield. My guess is around 3.3-3.4. So this would mean less than a 20% drop off so far which is not too bad.

Does it really exponentially fall off a cliff at some lower temperature or does it stay declining gradually and linear as temps go further down?

When it gets really frigid it kind of drops off a cliff IMO

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

When it gets really frigid it kind of drops off a cliff IMO

I think if I started to see 2-2.2 I’d start to be concerned. My trip of 100 miles would still be covered but in the event of some catastrophe while driving id be worried about being stranded and only have a few hours of extra run time. Don’t mean to go doomsday just the what if scenario

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I think if I started to see 2-2.2 I’d start to be concerned. My trip of 100 miles would still be covered but in the event of some catastrophe while driving id be worried about being stranded and only have a few hours of extra run time. Don’t mean to go doomsday just the what if scenario

You could turn off the heat and only use the seat heater. That helps quite a bit. You don’t need to keep the cabin warm, just your core temperature. Also shift the controller so heat is to your back, not the seat cushion.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

I think if I started to see 2-2.2 I’d start to be concerned. My trip of 100 miles would still be covered but in the event of some catastrophe while driving id be worried about being stranded and only have a few hours of extra run time. Don’t mean to go doomsday just the what if scenario

When i mean frigid btw I mean like an arctic blast that brings it into low teens or below, that’s where you will see big 30% + drops in range thankfully those are somewhat rare by us. But you should never ever have a problem going 100 miles with range to spare if you are fully charged no matter how cold it gets. Also I’m going to guess with your round trip commute you probably drive to or close to the city. If that’s the case you are in that soul crushing traffic a lot of the time. EVs are actually most efficient in traffic (and last forever when idle) it’s driving fast (70mph+) that range begins to melt away fast

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

When i mean frigid btw I mean like an arctic blast that brings it into low teens or below, that’s where you will see big 30% + drops in range thankfully those are somewhat rare by us. But you should never ever have a problem going 100 miles with range to spare if you are fully charged no matter how cold it gets. Also I’m going to guess with your round trip commute you probably drive to or close to the city. If that’s the case you are in that soul crushing traffic a lot of the time. EVs are actually most efficient in traffic (and last forever when idle) it’s driving fast (70mph+) that range begins to melt away fast

Exactly right. Week of thanksgiving it took me 2.25hr to get home and it’s only 50 miles. The car did phenomenally tho, averaged 3.4miles/kw. Told my wife this trip cost me about $4 , It would have been $15 in an ICE car. My commute is really the poster child for EV promotion.

[jgkappiah6]

Thanks a lot for all the responses and the YouTube video.

[Maverick241]

Originally Posted by Mattl0806

Exactly right. Week of thanksgiving it took me 2.25hr to get home and it’s only 50 miles. The car did phenomenally tho, averaged 3.4miles/kw. Told my wife this trip cost me about $4 , It would have been $15 in an ICE car. My commute is really the poster child for EV promotion.

Yup and trust me, hand free is so nice in that traffic as im sure you know already.

[Mattl0806]

Originally Posted by Maverick241

Yup and trust me, hand free is so nice in that traffic as im sure you know already.

Yup. That same night I took the highway bc it was alll soo bad. Hands off from like 2 out of the 2.5 hours driving

[mjr24]

We have been in the mid 40s the last few days and I'm probably 290 miles at 100% percent based on where my 80% mileage is.

When I posted earlier and we were in the low 20s...I bet 100% was just over 200 miles.

So it does drop off a cliff somewhere in between.

I noticed having the heat on full blast took off 25 miles from my range (that's both sides on highest temp and highest setting). Obviously I only need to keep this on until the cabin warms up.