[Slyslap]

Anyone agree with his assessments? I feel a bit harsh.

[AddyDaddy]

They both seem like they’d be loads of fun to hang out with lol 😝 . Seemed like they were dispositioned to complain about it. Yes could have gotten a Tesla but I like the way BMW builds their cars and how driver-centric they are, they are safe and luxury based.

This is my 6th 5 series in 9 years, from 535’ MSport, F10 and F90 M5’s, M550i xdrive (last 3 tuned by evolve with exhaust work), my last 2023 540M that lasted me 12 months on my 3 yr lease (stock but didn’t feel compelled to mod it) this M60 is the one I like the most, aside from missing the engine noises. Suspension and rear steering trumps all my other cars. Stereo needs a little work but this thing feels so planted and refined I love it. It feels more stable than either of my other Xdrive cars.

[RichardInCA]

Yeah - that was intellectually lazy. Several of us on the board are seeing real world range on an M60 >270miles, and the 400V architecture is not a real-world limitation right now - the max charging rate at 205kW is not bad.

The comments on the throttle and brake calibration seem wildly off the mark. I find the throttle to be very well tuned and of course it varies depending upon driving mode. Do I expect that the car will respond if I hold the throttle constant and switch from Sport to Efficient mode - well, duh. Jabbing the throttle in sport mode like a 5yr old and complaining that it’s not smooth? Are you an idiot? Also maybe they were driving in B mode, but if you use D mode with limited regen, the car just coasts without regen dramatically slowing the vehicle….I could go on but won’t.

Crappy review in my mind, but of course, I own one.

[Scrapula]

A guy posted his i5 M60 charged to 100% showing 307 miles. The only time I am around 248 is when it’s freezing or close to it. It’s been in the upper 50’s to 60 degrees and I am doing fine. They should actually try driving it for a week. BMW underestimates range on all their EVs.

And my car drives on rails. I can whip through S shaped dual roundabouts with zero roll. It stays planted.

[alewifebp]

I'd say some of this might be BMW not telling reviewers about certain features. Yes, if you are in B and it's in adaptive, it's going to snap back. It does take a little bit of time to get used to when driving in those modes. But turn off the adaptive modes and you will get a car that drives much more like the ICE variants.

BMW does also tend to not have press cars that are missing features too. At that price, why not equip it with the ventilated seats?

[Frupal]

This review is inaccurate. I test drove both the 40 and the 60. Loved the 60. That bucking bronco effect was most likely caused by the setting that hits the brakes as soon as you lift the pedal. It was a ridiculous and possibly libelous distortion of reality. Just turn that shit off.

I do sort of agree with tier complaints about the range and the charge time. That said, I rarely drive more than 150 miles between gas fill ups. in my opinion, all of this range anxiety is overblown. Sure, you can get a claimed 400 mile range in a 'car' from that lunatic's company, but at what cost? Low quality, non-luxurious rattle traps do not appeal to me.

[Slyslap]

Yea my edrive 40 shows about 320 miles range on 100% charge. It’s rare that I may need more than that.
If I was super range concerned then, yea, there are other alternatives. But I too don’t want to compromise on the luxuries.

[Pentium]

The whole video is stupid and a waste of time. I do not even own the car.

[Scrapula]

Honestly, they just pulled numbers out of thin air. They have no idea about real world range, which is generally above the stated range by 40-50 miles for a BMW. They must think that all EVs use the same technology and identical battery management software.

They had a base model, no executive pack because it had the standard sun roof. It had veganza interior. They didn’t order ventilated sears. They must have quoted the price with added tax or something, because the vehicle they had would be under $90k.

I have experienced the bucking back and forth, but you have to force the car into it. For me, driving up a steep hill and letting off the accelerator will do that. It only happened when I was learning regen. It just made them look like idiots who do not know how to drive.

[Roki_014]

its my 3rd generation 5 series, and i love it the most as well, was looking to get 22 m5 but the low miles one i was looking at were too much , if i could have found the cs one around $100k i would have pulled the trigger but that would be mission impossible lol

Originally Posted by AddyDaddy

They both seem like they’d be loads of fun to hang out with lol 😝 . Seemed like they were dispositioned to complain about it. Yes could have gotten a Tesla but I like the way BMW builds their cars and how driver-centric they are, they are safe and luxury based.

This is my 6th 5 series in 9 years, from 535’ MSport, F10 and F90 M5’s, M550i xdrive (last 3 tuned by evolve with exhaust work), my last 2023 540M that lasted me 12 months on my 3 yr lease (stock but didn’t feel compelled to mod it) this M60 is the one I like the most, aside from missing the engine noises. Suspension and rear steering trumps all my other cars. Stereo needs a little work but this thing feels so planted and refined I love it. It feels more stable than either of my other Xdrive cars.

[digriz]

I have just received my i5 M60 yesterday, and I drove it only for a couple of hours. For me, this car is everything I wanted. I disagree with the comment that it only shows power when it is driven in a straight line. I disagree with the remarks about "jerkiness". And I disagree that the M60 has an outdated 400V architecture.

I am not a F1 pilot, and I do not need an M5 (and if I did, perhaps I would not go for a series 5?). For what I need, this car is a dream.

To each their own, but the lens this review adopts is definitely not mine and looks a very distorting one. Still, just my 2c...

[scas12]

video was a waste of time to watch. I gave it a solid thumbs down.

[tsbrown]

They typically have these press cars for a few days or maximum a week so may not have had it long enough to experience the higher real world range that many are seeing. For those of you that are getting 270+ real world, how long after delivery did you see this and did you actually experience this on a full charge to empty or was it predicted range after topping off the battery each time?

Also, while they are in Michigan where it can get cold in March, it doesn't look like it was cold enough to dramatically impact range but it could have been a factor.

Last point, just as in an ICE car how hard you drive it will impact range (my E90 M3 would get only 6mpg on the track and typically 270 miles on a full tank of normal commuting while my G30 540i can get 33mpg cruising on the highway), and by the multiple launches they showed in the video it most likely did reduce range.

[Scrapula]

I have not charged to 100%. A person I know in a different forum posted his 100% charge and it was 307 miles.

I am north of Seattle and it is still in the 40 degree range. I have had a few warmer days, around 60 degrees and have gotten over 4 miles per kWh.

By opening up MyBMW app, you can look at each trip by day. I can see that I usually get 3.5 miles per kWh on the highway. When it is freezing, that drops to 3.2. That’s how you know your range.

Actual range is calculated by multiplying your miles/kWh * battery size.

[Theophilus]

I found the video interesting, because they complained about things that I thought were OK and praised things that I thought were subpar, like the interior cabin materials.

FWIW, my wife, who drives a Tesla Y, recently told me, “I hate driving your car, because it lurches forward abruptly!” I think they’re on to something with the throttle response issue.

The comments on the video are more savage than the geese themselves.

I also want to point out that I get a strange vibe from the two men in general. One of them tries to be scientific and even academic whereas the other one seems angry at life itself all the time. And yet, the academic one seems to greatly value the opinion of the angry one and even seeks his approval. It’s an uncomfortable dynamic for me to observe.

[Slyslap]

Originally Posted by Theophilus

I found the video interesting, because they complained about things that I thought were OK and praised things that I thought were subpar, like the interior cabin materials.

FWIW, my wife, who drives a Tesla Y, recently told me, “I hate driving your car, because it lurches forward abruptly!” I think they’re on to something with the throttle response issue.

The comments on the video are more savage than the geese themselves.

I also want to point out that I get a strange vibe from the two men in general. One of them tries to be scientific and even academic whereas the other one seems angry at life itself all the time. And yet, the academic one seems to greatly value the opinion of the angry one and even seeks his approval. It’s an uncomfortable dynamic for me to observe.

lol your analysis of these two are so spot on.

[alewifebp]

To be fair to them, they recently had a review of an X5 M60, and pretty much asked why buy anything else if you are in that price range looking for a SUV. So they are in the BMW camp and also have also expressed their appreciation of the B58 engine.

But it certainly appears that they were in B when accelerating, since the car just doesn't do that in D.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by alewifebp

To be fair to them, they recently had a review of an X5 M60, and pretty much asked why buy anything else if you are in that price range looking for a SUV. So they are in the BMW camp and also have also expressed their appreciation of the B58 engine.

But it certainly appears that they were in B when accelerating, since the car just doesn't do that in D.

I didn't know B vs D impacted acceleration. I thought it just impacted energy regeneration.

[AddyDaddy]

Originally Posted by Theophilus

I also want to point out that I get a strange vibe from the two men in general. One of them tries to be scientific and even academic whereas the other one seems angry at life itself all the time. And yet, the academic one seems to greatly value the opinion of the angry one and even seeks his approval. It’s an uncomfortable dynamic for me to observe.

That was my take. They both seemed like they take themselves too serious. Was odd

[scas12]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

They typically have these press cars for a few days or maximum a week so may not have had it long enough to experience the higher real world range that many are seeing. For those of you that are getting 270+ real world, how long after delivery did you see this and did you actually experience this on a full charge to empty or was it predicted range after topping off the battery each time?

Also, while they are in Michigan where it can get cold in March, it doesn't look like it was cold enough to dramatically impact range but it could have been a factor.

Last point, just as in an ICE car how hard you drive it will impact range (my E90 M3 would get only 6mpg on the track and typically 270 miles on a full tank of normal commuting while my G30 540i can get 33mpg cruising on the highway), and by the multiple launches they showed in the video it most likely did reduce range.

It's taken a few weeks and the range keeps creeping up. I live in TX and I suspect the combo of me learning to drive the car and the weather warming up are impacting that, but who knows what else could impact it. I shockingly had a trip to work yesterday where I got 4.5mi/kwh. That didn't happen on the way home when I got 2.5mi/kwh. The difference is elevation and traffic.

[alewifebp]

Originally Posted by LVBMW

I didn't know B vs D impacted acceleration. I thought it just impacted energy regeneration.

Correct. What they seemed to be doing was accelerating heavy in B and then letting off, causing it to snap back as it moves to regenerate. That would explain the jerking that they were complaining about.

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by alewifebp

Correct. What they seemed to be doing was accelerating heavy in B and then letting off, causing it to snap back as it moves to regenerate. That would explain the jerking that they were complaining about.

I understand.