EVO mag shoot-out: GTR vs. Z06, R8, & GT3

ichiban · 03-17-2008, 09:28 PM

The car is amazing.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22031

No more debating, no more excuses. This car has surpassed all expectations, and it definitely needs to be recognized as the supercar that it is.

1EuroDelivery · 03-17-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ichiban

The car is amazing.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22031

No more debating, no more excuses. This car has surpassed all expectations, and it definitely needs to be recognized as the supercar that it is.

:eyebulge: Well-written review as well.

BMWeber · 03-17-2008, 09:52 PM

Eh no one ever said it wasn't fast, but out of those four cars it would still be third on my list.

larryn · 03-17-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWeber

Eh no one ever said it wasn't fast, but out of those four cars it would still be third on my list.

Wow.. I was thinking the exact same thing, not that I would toss any of those cars out of bed.

ichiban · 03-17-2008, 10:15 PM

Well, IMO, for those of you that would choose the GT3 over the GTR. Think about the GTR with some weight reduction. I'm sure the thing has lots of unnecessary weight that can be trimmed off vs. the GT3 which is already super light weight.

NJKSC27 · 03-17-2008, 11:13 PM

it would be 4th on my list of those cars

jeremyc74 · 03-17-2008, 11:35 PM

It still hasn't beaten the Z06 on a road course, and didn't beat it in the 0-100-0 test when driver reaction time was removed. That "test" was a hack job.

Italteen3 · 03-17-2008, 11:47 PM

I believe a GTR V-spec is already in the works. :smile: Should make for a POTENT car.

edge350 · 03-18-2008, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Italteen3

I believe a GTR V-spec is already in the works. :smile: Should make for a POTENT car.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/29/l...oming-in-2010/

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/12...c-scooped.html

The GT-R just does nothing for me. Granted, I know very little about cars and I've never driven on a track, but...Porsche inspires. BMW inspires. Ferrari, Lotus, blah blah blah. I want to tear around a track on those. Nissan? meh. It looks like a car designed for a video game. Just doesn't get me going. Maybe a sucker for the European sports car hype.

turbomg · 03-18-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by larryn

Wow.. I was thinking the exact same thing, not that I would toss any of those cars out of bed.

Ditto that, mostly. The Corvette can (to stick with the metaphor) go fuck itself.

ichiban · 03-18-2008, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by edge350

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/29/l...oming-in-2010/

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/12...c-scooped.html

The GT-R just does nothing for me. Granted, I know very little about cars and I've never driven on a track, but...Porsche inspires. BMW inspires. Ferrari, Lotus, blah blah blah. I want to tear around a track on those. Nissan? meh. It looks like a car designed for a video game. Just doesn't get me going. Maybe a sucker for the European sports car hype.

If heritage is what makes BMW and Pcars inspire, then the Nissan Skyline has a lot more heritage than all the other cars on here. The sucession of skylines have all been sucessful and all been phenomenal to say the least. And the fact that it's coming to North America for the first time is just insane. the forbidden fruit finally gets imported ... it's just too bad I dont have the mula for it.

BForbes · 03-18-2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by turbomg

Ditto that, mostly. The Corvette can (to stick with the metaphor) go fuck itself.

haha...

randomquickness · 03-18-2008, 03:32 AM

don't care for it either...however, I did have fun driving that tuned r32 in japan. I would have to take the porsche over the rest (assuming I could ever afford any of them.)

edge350 · 03-18-2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ichiban

If heritage is what makes BMW and Pcars inspire, then the Nissan Skyline has a lot more heritage than all the other cars on here. The sucession of skylines have all been sucessful and all been phenomenal to say the least. And the fact that it's coming to North America for the first time is just insane. the forbidden fruit finally gets imported ... it's just too bad I dont have the mula for it.

I hear you. I haven't been a fan long enough to have your perspective.
Setting heritage aside, from a simple styling standpoint, it doesn't grab me.

Propagator · 03-18-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

It still hasn't beaten the Z06 on a road course, and didn't beat it in the 0-100-0 test when driver reaction time was removed. That "test" was a hack job.

So Nurburgring no longer counts as a road course?

jeremyc74 · 03-19-2008, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spinzero

So Nurburgring no longer counts as a road course?

Sure it does, but that time wasn't done by an independent tester, and it was a pre-production car. Besides that, there are a ton of variables that play into the time on a track that long, not the least of which are temperature and weather.

I just don't get why none of these magazines have put the two cars on the same track on the same day with the same driver. It doesn't make since.

How in the world did Evo take a lightweight track monster like the Z06 and decided that the best way to compare it to the GTR was in a drag race....WTF?! :iono:

Propagator · 03-19-2008, 02:22 PM

Another one from Road and track.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594

"The GT-R's handling was in a league by itself. The suspension felt more compliant than the Japan-spec model's, yet still provided unbelievable stability through all variety of corners. Just when you think you feel the rear end coming out, stay on the throttle and let the ATTESA E-TS awd system do its thing. It'll immediately transfer as much as 50 percent of the engine torque to the front wheels (the torque split for normal driving is 2/98), stabilizing the car without sacrificing speed. The Nissan's handling balance is so spectacular that it registered 1.01g on the skidpad and romped through the slalom at an impressive 73.4 mph, about 3 mph faster than the others (and faster than the Ferrari Enzo)."

Buttonwillow Raceway

911 Turbo: 2:02.1
Z06: 2:02.1
GT-R: 1:56.9

I think the number speaks for itself. I guess no need to rub it in on anybody.

0002s · 03-19-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

It still hasn't beaten the Z06 on a road course, and didn't beat it in the 0-100-0 test when driver reaction time was removed. That "test" was a hack job.

OH NOES>>>>>>>:eyebulge: (btw...Steve Millen was driving all three)

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

How in the world did Evo take a lightweight track monster like the Z06 and decided that the best way to compare it to the GTR was in a drag race....WTF?! :iono:

Simple answer...they new it would get it's ass kicked in stock form

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594

For what it's worth it would still be last on my list.

.....

jeremyc74 · 03-19-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spinzero

Another one from Road and track.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594

"The GT-R's handling was in a league by itself. The suspension felt more compliant than the Japan-spec model's, yet still provided unbelievable stability through all variety of corners. Just when you think you feel the rear end coming out, stay on the throttle and let the ATTESA E-TS awd system do its thing. It'll immediately transfer as much as 50 percent of the engine torque to the front wheels (the torque split for normal driving is 2/98), stabilizing the car without sacrificing speed. The Nissan's handling balance is so spectacular that it registered 1.01g on the skidpad and romped through the slalom at an impressive 73.4 mph, about 3 mph faster than the others (and faster than the Ferrari Enzo)."

Buttonwillow Raceway

911 Turbo: 2:02.1
Z06: 2:02.1
GT-R: 1:56.9

I think the number speaks for itself. I guess no need to rub it in on anybody.

Finally a real test. :thumbup:

I'm damn impressed. I expected it to be very close, but in the Z06s favor because of the weight. Nissan's done a great job overcoming that with this car. If they're able to shave a couple of hundred pounds off with a V Spec version it's going to be a holy terror.

Propagator · 03-19-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremyc74

Finally a real test. :thumbup:

I'm damn impressed. I expected it to be very close, but in the Z06s favor because of the weight. Nissan's done a great job overcoming that with this car. If they're able to shave a couple of hundred pounds off with a V Spec version it's going to be a holy terror.

Yeah, the GT-R really does defy its power to weight ratio on every single performance category. It's as if it's a car from the future.

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BMWeber Major 36 Rep 1,329 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Amesbury, MA iTrader: (5)	Eh no one ever said it wasn't fast, but out of those four cars it would still be third on my list.
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ichiban Colonel 104 Rep 2,012 Posts Drives: 08 135i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (2)	Well, IMO, for those of you that would choose the GT3 over the GTR. Think about the GTR with some weight reduction. I'm sure the thing has lots of unnecessary weight that can be trimmed off vs. the GT3 which is already super light weight.
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jeremyc74 Banned 79 Rep 5,970 Posts Drives: '08 135i Montego/Terra Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Evansville, IN iTrader: (0)	It still hasn't beaten the Z06 on a road course, and didn't beat it in the 0-100-0 test when driver reaction time was removed. That "test" was a hack job.
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Italteen3 Captain 65 Rep 765 Posts Drives: 135i JB Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Somewhere..... iTrader: (0)	I believe a GTR V-spec is already in the works. :smile: Should make for a POTENT car.
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randomquickness Brigadier General 235 Rep 3,668 Posts Drives: 996tt Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Georgetown, TX iTrader: (13)	don't care for it either...however, I did have fun driving that tuned r32 in japan. I would have to take the porsche over the rest (assuming I could ever afford any of them.) __________________
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Propagator Captain 14 Rep 810 Posts Drives: 2011 328i LMB 6MT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: CA iTrader: (0)	Another one from Road and track. http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594 "The GT-R's handling was in a league by itself. The suspension felt more compliant than the Japan-spec model's, yet still provided unbelievable stability through all variety of corners. Just when you think you feel the rear end coming out, stay on the throttle and let the ATTESA E-TS awd system do its thing. It'll immediately transfer as much as 50 percent of the engine torque to the front wheels (the torque split for normal driving is 2/98), stabilizing the car without sacrificing speed. The Nissan's handling balance is so spectacular that it registered 1.01g on the skidpad and romped through the slalom at an impressive 73.4 mph, about 3 mph faster than the others (and faster than the Ferrari Enzo)." Buttonwillow Raceway 911 Turbo: 2:02.1 Z06: 2:02.1 GT-R: 1:56.9 I think the number speaks for itself. I guess no need to rub it in on anybody.
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