Kill Switches on 2026 and newer cars

bimmer456 · 10-25-2023, 12:07 PM

What do you guys think?

BGM-M3COMP · 10-25-2023, 12:36 PM

Good!

Efthreeoh · 10-25-2023, 01:02 PM

This was discussed at length a year or more ago after the infrastructure bill came to light. Smart money is on buying a manual transmission vehicle that does not have advanced driver aids systems (ADAS) before MY 2026.

Shredicus · 10-25-2023, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

This was discussed at length a year or more ago after the infrastructure bill came to light. Smart money is on buying a manual transmission vehicle that does not have advanced driver aids systems (ADAS) before MY 2026.

Is this really that big of a deal if you're not a criminal?

B58-M340iX · 10-25-2023, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shredicus

Is this really that big of a deal if you're not a criminal?

I had a similar thought about all of the monitoring and tracking devices in place today on your phone/PC/internet traffic. Sometimes, just thinking about staining your fence means you get advertisements for just that. I'd rather just go on about my day without prying eyes trying to sell me something constantly, or having control of what I do.

I understand the purpose behind wanting a kill device - but these will just be removed in some way initially. I imagine the removal of the device will trigger the car not to start or at minimum a check engine light.

gblansten · 10-25-2023, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shredicus

Is this really that big of a deal if you're not a criminal?

Yes. Because criminals will figure out how to use this functionality on you or me.

G35POPPEDMYCHERRY · 10-25-2023, 01:41 PM

a ounce of security for a pound of freedom

nerdogray · 10-25-2023, 01:41 PM

It will be abused. Pretty sure this has little to do with actual concern over drunk driving. Drunk driving is just being used as the shoehorn to get people to accept the invasion of privacy. It's not just the "kill switch." The most alarming thing to me was the requirement that there will be in-cabin monitoring of noise (read: conversations).

BMWILUVU · 10-25-2023, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gblansten

Yes. Because criminals will figure out how to use this functionality on you or me.

More like fire-arms. Criminals will be able to disable or use this and ordinary citizen get to live without control of their own cars they supposedly own and bought with their hard-earned money.

Efthreeoh · 10-25-2023, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shredicus

Is this really that big of a deal if you're not a criminal?

Yes.

It's called "Innocent until proven guilty". It's called "the right to not incriminate one's self".

Jeeezsus.

NickyC · 10-25-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Yes.

It's called "Innocent until proven guilty". It's called "the right to not incriminate one's self".

Jeeezsus.

Exactly, a great sadness always overcomes me anytime I read a line like "well if you don't have anything to hide" etc.

Misses the entire gotdamn point.

chetrickerman · 10-25-2023, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shredicus

Is this really that big of a deal if you're not a criminal?

Its amazing how many people have this ignorant mindset. You may not be doing anything wrong now, but what happens when the people in power have changed their perspective and now view what you are doing as wrong?
My kids said the same thing when I brought up how invasive Tik-tok is on someone's phone, yet its not about whether or not you are doing something wrong, its about the fact that the government or private company has zero right to do this sort of thing. Same with the Patriot Act......

tranquility · 10-25-2023, 11:08 PM

I'm happy that some are calling out the 'meh' ppl but unfortunately we're in the far minority as evidence by the past 4 years or so.

There are so many bad things that could happen, getting hacked, misuse, accidental shutoff, etc, all potentially causing harm or accidents. Just craziness there was no debate supposedly, they just snuck it through?

I hate to see the future. Glad won't be around to see this distopia after a few decades. Insane.

allinon72 · 10-26-2023, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shredicus

Is this really that big of a deal if you're not a criminal?

Orwellian perspective that is unfortunately all too common.

christianb5s4 · 10-26-2023, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquility

I'm happy that some are calling out the 'meh' ppl but unfortunately we're in the far minority as evidence by the past 4 years or so.

That's when every little bit counts. Like bringing awareness to car communities who tend to be most passionate and vocal.

It tells you all you need to know when politicians buried this in yet another five thousand page bill.

"Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

MassWholeBimmer · 10-26-2023, 07:25 PM

Pre covid, I would have said "Come'on guys, you are just being overly paranoid".. But then when my private sector employer said I had to get an govt mandated injection to keep my job.. Now I say BS to this government overreach.

gonzo · 10-26-2023, 08:00 PM

"They're not after me, they're after you"

No truer words.

cooolone2 · 10-27-2023, 02:40 AM

Those who support this or just shrug their shoulders will be the first ones crying when a disaster takes place and to prevent roadways being flooded with civilians fleeing an area has all the vehicles disabled! Or only 'certain' vehicles be able to move! Shelter in place orders the same! Etc...

Is a crazy nanny state affair having this built into vehicles! Is it good reasoning in certain situations? Maybe so, but abuse of power is a guaranteed thing, exhibited in contemporary times on too many occasions to dismiss as mere coincidence. Nefarious and malicious use if the technology is almost assured, whether it be governmental, or criminal...

That is all...

christianb5s4 · 10-27-2023, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gonzo

"They're not after me, they're after you"

No truer words.

If you know, you know. ^

alex2364 · 10-27-2023, 03:58 PM

Some rando on the internet makes a claim so it must be true, right?

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-402773429497

gonzo · 10-27-2023, 04:03 PM

So trust Govo and APo but not rando?
No thanks.

Reminds me of the good old "trust Google" days.
Or more recently...Trust Dr. Fucci!!!
How'd those turn out?

AP Fact Check. lol

Shredicus · 10-27-2023, 05:22 PM

Huh, bimmerpost hosts more schizophrenics than I realized.

Yeah the government is going to disable our cars so only the coastal elites can drive and turn the frogs gay, but can we talk about the real issue here?

ChEmTrAiLs

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