[Kev]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/02/...uit/index.html

Ambulance chasers at work again. I guess the economy is REALLY taking a toll on their lifestyle.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Kev

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/02/...uit/index.html

Ambulance chasers at work again. I guess the economy is REALLY taking a toll on their lifestyle.

Only in America. Fuck that, I hope the police department wins the lawsuit. That's ridiculous. They couldn't do anything about it. Those people were mad with greed.

[im spencer]

I dont get it either... I mean how much cheaper can Walmart get? I thought their prices were already low as shit. Its true, only in america are such ridiculous things achieved

[Big Windy]

I normally don't comment on stuff like this, but these people are morally bankrupt, and are a sad sign of what is going wrong with many people in america: no responsibility. What a total bullshit claim. 2 million dollars? It is truly pathetic how some people try to turn events like these around. Everyone knows that people are crazy for deals on black friday. It is there own damn fault. Walmart should tell them to eat big shit. There is no way they will win this lawsuit, but it will be sad if Walmart settles just to get this family off their back, because that will only encourage more ignorant people to do this kind of crap later. These people are the dregs of our society.

[Couch]

Why is there no personal responsiblity anymore.

And I hope each and every person that trampled the guy that died get huge fines, and jail time.

[montreal red]

god 2 million??? what a bunch of horse shit... seriously, they'd be lucky if they get 20k.... if i were the judge, they'll walk away with 200 bucks maybe.

[mpimping]

they suck...

[kevinbahnz]

I think Walmart should be held responsible. They know what has happened and what will happen on black friday. Walmart should've had more security, put up barricades to make lines outside the doors . i remember when sony released the PS3 and Sony had to pay for extra police to keep everyone from going crazy.. Why won't walmart do this when every year someone gets hurt and sues them and wins.

[mpimping]

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

I think Walmart should be held responsible. They know what has happened and what will happen on black friday. Walmart should've had more security, put up barricades to make lines outside the doors . i remember when sony released the PS3 and Sony had to pay for extra police to keep everyone from going crazy.. Why won't walmart do this when every year someone gets hurt and sues them and wins.

an employee died so I think it's in poor taste for customers to sue unless they were hurt very badly...

[Blake]

this isn't anyone's fault except the fucking moron shoppers that really had to kill someone to get something that surely isn't going to last forever.

[uhaulball]

u guys that werent there dont get it. i stopped by that night/morning to this very same walmart. it was crazy and insane there, there were walls of people and it was literally a riot. seriously, some parts of the store were more crowded shoulder to should almost like a rock concert. im not saying they deserve 2 mil, but they deserve some consequences for such poorly handled mayhem that led to dozens injured and one trampled to death employee.

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by kevinbahnz

I think Walmart should be held responsible. They know what has happened and what will happen on black friday. Walmart should've had more security, put up barricades to make lines outside the doors . i remember when sony released the PS3 and Sony had to pay for extra police to keep everyone from going crazy.. Why won't walmart do this when every year someone gets hurt and sues them and wins.

that is ridiculous. walmart should certainly not be held responsible. PEOPLE know what has happened and what will happen on black friday. PEOPLE should be responsible enough to do what is necessary to stay safe. i don't go shopping at 4 am on black friday because i know that people do stupid shit, so i stay at home instead because 50 dollars off a ps3 isn't worth getting injured or killed.

your logic really scares me. this reminds me of when that woman sued mcdonalds because they served her coffee that was too hot. people need to take some fucking responsibility. how would you feel if i was walking in front of your house one day, tripped on your lawn, and then sued the shit out of you because you didn't put a security guard or a barricade in front of your sprinkler system? yeah, i'm exaggerating a bit, but the underlying principle is the same. or how about if you had a garage sale and your prices were so cheap that everyone in town was coming to your house and somebody got injured because another customer ran them over in their car when trying to get the front parking spot in front of your house and then sued you because you didn't clear a path in front of your property?

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

u guys that werent there dont get it. i stopped by that night/morning to this very same walmart. it was crazy and insane there, there were walls of people and it was literally a riot. seriously, some parts of the store were more crowded shoulder to should almost like a rock concert. im not saying they deserve 2 mil, but they deserve some consequences for such poorly handled mayhem that led to dozens injured and one trampled to death employee.

and now i get to respond again.

so when you stopped by this walmart, what did you say to yourself? you left, right? if a riot was going on, why didn't these people get smart and just leave? maybe those deals were really good so they were forced to stay?

these people don't deserve shit. if anything, walmart should be suing these individuals that participated in the "riot" on the behalf of their dead employee for wrongful death. not the other way around. if these people are awarded money, it will truly be a tragedy. the united states court system has already failed several times at making the right decision when it comes to issues of personal responsibility.

walmart didn't cause those riots, those people did. and if you want to say that they should have known what was going to happen because it happens every year, then i will say that those people should have known what was going to happen because it happens every year. why should walmart have to provide security? we should be responsible enough not to let this kind of stuff happen (which we obviously aren't). still, blaming walmart doesn't fix the problem. holding the individuals responsible does. they should review those tapes, determine the identities of those that contributed to trampling that man, and press charges.

[uhaulball]

Originally Posted by Big Windy

and now i get to respond again.

so when you stopped by this walmart, what did you say to yourself? you left, right? if a riot was going on, why didn't these people get smart and just leave? maybe those deals were really good so they were forced to stay?

these people don't deserve shit. if anything, walmart should be suing these individuals that participated in the "riot" on the behalf of their dead employee for wrongful death. not the other way around. if these people are awarded money, it will truly be a tragedy. the united states court system has already failed several times at making the right decision when it comes to issues of personal responsibility.

walmart didn't cause those riots, those people did. and if you want to say that they should have known what was going to happen because it happens every year, then i will say that those people should have known what was going to happen because it happens every year. why should walmart have to provide security? we should be responsible enough not to let this kind of stuff happen (which we obviously aren't). still, blaming walmart doesn't fix the problem. holding the individuals responsible does. they should review those tapes, determine the identities of those that contributed to trampling that man, and press charges.

i stopped by micro center, circuit city, best buy, radio shack, and walmart.
in each and every one of the other retailers, the traffic was crowded, but calm and controlled with many "bouncers" and security and extra employees directly and monitoring the crowd. only at walmart was i getting smushed between shoulders. there was absolutely no order there, it was anarchy.

yes people were assholes killing the fucking employee, but if the other places didnt have the proper precautions, it wouldve happened there. but only at walmart was there absolutely undermanned security. the shoppers had no enforcing. do you lock your car? do u lock your house? are you vigilante for your children's protection? is there a police precinct in your town? this is the same reason we have bouncers and security in any highly occupied event or party. when there is a crowd, you need crowd control. if your house was robbed and u didnt lock ur door, do u honestly say, well they shouldve been good citizens and not enter my home in the first place? you have a responsibility to not be that ignorant and prude, same with walmart.

[Kev]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

i stopped by micro center, circuit city, best buy, radio shack, and walmart.
in each and every one of the other retailers, the traffic was crowded, but calm and controlled with many "bouncers" and security and extra employees directly and monitoring the crowd. only at walmart was i getting smushed between shoulders. there was absolutely no order there, it was anarchy.

yes people were assholes killing the fucking employee, but if the other places didnt have the proper precautions, it wouldve happened there. but only at walmart was there absolutely undermanned security. the shoppers had no enforcing. do you lock your car? do u lock your house? are you vigilante for your children's protection? is there a police precinct in your town? this is the same reason we have bouncers and security in any highly occupied event or party. when there is a crowd, you need crowd control. if your house was robbed and u didnt lock ur door, do u honestly say, well they shouldve been good citizens and not enter my home in the first place? you have a responsibility to not be that ignorant and prude, same with walmart.

Since when is Walmart required to teach the general public about etiquette 101, or common decency 101? Your idea is just absurd.

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

if your house was robbed and u didnt lock ur door, do u honestly say, well they shouldve been good citizens and not enter my home in the first place? you have a responsibility to not be that ignorant and prude, same with walmart.

absolutely, i would say that. they have no right to be entering my property, regardless of whether I lock it or not.

but I do see where you are coming from. just as locking my house is a precaution, so is having security or crowd control, right?

i just don't see how walmart could be held responsible for this. i don't care if they didn't order extra security like other businesses did. those businesses were probably smart for taking extra precautions (just as we are smart to take the extra precaution of locking our house), but that doesn't mean that walmart is breaking the law for not doing so (that would be like you getting sued if a burglar entered your unlocked home and was eaten by your dog in the process of stealing your stuff). Why do you think that walmart should be responsible, just because it occured on their property?

In retrospect, it would have been prudent for walmart to have additional security; still, the idea that anyone involved in that chaos has the right or grounds to sue walmart for their injuries is ludicrous. Now if the family of that dead man wanted to sue for wrongful death, I could understand that. And I think that they should find the identities of the people that trampled him and that those people should be held responsible. Walmart, though? NO.

[bolinp78]

Originally Posted by Kev

Since when is Walmart required to teach the general public about etiquette 101, or common decency 101? Your idea is just absurd.

Where the hell did he ever mention "etiquette" ??

He is talking about crowd control. They are two different things. It isn't about teaching anyone anything. It is about ensuring safety.

[LJE92]

Originally Posted by uhaulball

u guys that werent there dont get it. i stopped by that night/morning to this very same walmart. it was crazy and insane there, there were walls of people and it was literally a riot. seriously, some parts of the store were more crowded shoulder to should almost like a rock concert. im not saying they deserve 2 mil, but they deserve some consequences for such poorly handled mayhem that led to dozens injured and one trampled to death employee.

another thing you guy's dnt know is that the cops and walmart both met up many months before to make sure how to keep people from getting hurt and someone dies that worked at walmart then ya fuck it i would sue to.
so for next time they learn to take saftey more serious. i cnt understand if all of you were in the same situation your family would want money .
let me guess all your answers no not me not my family they won't do that !

I was also there that morning it was crazy!!!

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by Prowess Symphony

Anyone injured should get some compensation from Walmart since they did not provide adequate security. 2 million dollars is a bit extreme.

And I hope that whoever trampled the employee goes to jail. Thats just ridiculous and unacceptable to kill someone just to get a good deal in Walmart.

then couldn't disagree more about anyone getting money from walmart. if people were that out of control outside the store that's a job for the police. why is it walmarts fault? they are a retail store, not a rock concert venue. black friday or not, people could have done exactly the same thing if there was a good deal. do you honestly feel that walmart should be responsible for forecasting when there might be a crowd that could possibly get out of control and then put extra security details in place? that's absurd. and if you think about the implication of that on a bigger scale, you set a precedent that exposes corporations to a slew of lawsuits for things that are beyond their control.

i do agree that those people that trampled that man should be caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent.

[Big Windy]

Originally Posted by LJE92

i cnt understand if all of you were in the same situation your family would want money .
let me guess all your answers no not me not my family they won't do that !

I was also there that morning it was crazy!!!

no, not me, not my family, they won't do that. seriously.

[MCS]

If I were to assign a percentage of blame I would propose:

95% of the blame is with the mob mentality crowd that caused the smashing of the doorway and surge into the store

5% Walmart store fault for not directing the crowd using barricades (maybe next year - they should install cow pens to control the herd)

0% - Police fault. How can they be at fault if they were not there? Were they not called unitl after the incident occurred and then followed the correct procedures?

Using this logic, Wlmart should cough up 100 Grand to the famly for its negligence...

I would hope that they at least pay for the funeral/cemetary through a donation.

[LJE92]

Originally Posted by Big Windy

no, not me, not my family, they won't do that. seriously.

ya cause in germany they dnt have black friday !