AMG V8 vs. M Division V8

Boostedphil698 · 12-27-2021, 12:29 PM

Which is better in terms of reliability in your opinion?

Oldgixxer · 12-27-2021, 12:38 PM

I've owned several V-8 AMG's(see sig below) and never had a single issue with any.
I've had one V-8 BMW,2020 M550(yes,yes,I know not an actual M car)and had nothing but problems with it. So much so that I terminated the lease halfway through. I'll never have another 8cyl BMW. Shame because I love the low end grunt of the V8s

Sedoy · 12-27-2021, 01:04 PM

BMW S63 V8 engines are mainly based on N63 which are notorious for bad reliability. Later variations of N63 (TUs) and S63s are typically better than older generations of N63, but I would definitely pick AMG over S63 in terms of reliability. If you want a reliable BMW go with inline 6. The new S58 engine is a masterpiece.

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Murf993 · 12-27-2021, 01:20 PM

Really no comparison. AMG/MB has done 10 fold more V8's than BMW. BMW's bread and butter is the straight 6.

omasou · 12-27-2021, 01:58 PM

I've owned a BMW E70 V8. I will never buy another V8 or V6 period.

I've owned a MB C32 AMG, 6 cylinder and I will never buy another MB.

If you are keeping the vehicle for less than 5 years then, I would buy the brand you prefer.

If you plan to keep beyond the warranty, I would read up on the BMW N63 issues, there are many and the MB AMG head bolt issue. I don't follow MB anymore so not sure if this was ever resolved in future engine designs.

Bimmersandmopars · 12-27-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedoy

BMW S63 V8 engines are mainly based on N63 which are notorious for bad reliability. Later variations of N63 (TUs) and S63s are typically better than older generations of N63, but I would definitely pick AMG over S63 in terms of reliability. If you want a reliable BMW go with inline 6. The new S58 engine is a masterpiece.

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The S58 is pretty awesome.

rmanm4 · 12-27-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

The S58 is pretty awesome.

It doesn't SOUND awesome!

V8, V10 and V12s all give real men a boner when revved! I-6 engines just dont cut it, no matter how much power they make!

This is also why ICE will always be what real men prefer over a super fast Tesla.

Sound is a huge part of the driving experience! Anyone who doesn't agree is just driving to get from point A to point B.

Sedoy · 12-27-2021, 03:27 PM

In this case, you should stop driving your BMW M4 F82...

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Originally Posted by rmanm4

It doesn't SOUND awesome!

V8, V10 and V12s all give real men a boner when revved! I-6 engines just dont cut it, no matter how much power they make!

This is also why ICE will always be what real men prefer over a super fast Tesla.

Sound is a huge part of the driving experience! Anyone who doesn't agree is just driving to get from point A to point B.

Murf993 · 12-27-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rmanm4

It doesn't SOUND awesome!

V8, V10 and V12s all give real men a boner when revved! I-6 engines just dont cut it, no matter how much power they make!

This is also why ICE will always be what real men prefer over a super fast Tesla.

Sound is a huge part of the driving experience! Anyone who doesn't agree is just driving to get from point A to point B.

I agree, I love my 993, and it's got a Fister exhaust ( i love telling people that ) and it sounds pretty good, but not all Porsche make the right noise. The 911 Turbo S sounds like a blender. I'd still have one.

rmanm4 · 12-27-2021, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedoy

In this case, you should stop driving your BMW M4 F82...

I will once I find a V8/V10 replacement....hopefully when prices return back to normal in the next couple of years.

For now, my F82 has mid pipe that makes it sound much better but nowhere near as good as it deserves!

Sedoy · 12-27-2021, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by rmanm4

I will once I find a V8/V10 replacement....hopefully when prices return back to normal in the next couple of years.

For now, my F82 has mid pipe that makes it sound much better but nowhere near as good as it deserves!

Look no further...

AlexFL · 12-27-2021, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rmanm4

It doesn't SOUND awesome!

V8, V10 and V12s all give real men a boner when revved! I-6 engines just dont cut it, no matter how much power they make!

This is also why ICE will always be what real men prefer over a super fast Tesla.

Sound is a huge part of the driving experience! Anyone who doesn't agree is just driving to get from point A to point B.

I have an S58 with an Akrapovic midpipe and Akrapovic exhaust. It sounds pretty awesome.

chassis · 12-27-2021, 07:31 PM

AMG:

M156 head bolt failure and soft cam lobes
M278/M157 cylinder scuffing, valve guides and chain tensioner problems
M17x unexplained/unsolved misfires

For long term ownership I would not own any AMG V8 unless engine replacement is in your budget. Engine replacement is not guaranteed, but not unheard of.

Fined · 12-27-2021, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Murf993

I agree, I love my 993, and it's got a Fister exhaust ( i love telling people that ) and it sounds pretty good, but not all Porsche make the right noise. The 911 Turbo S sounds like a blender. I'd still have one.

I have yet to hear, in person, a turbocharged 911 that didn't sound like crap. Surely there are some good ones that have modified exhaust systems that sound great, I don't doubt a GT2 or GT2 RS sounds good in person. But what I've heard was really not good at all.

But as said, I'd still have one.

chassis · 12-27-2021, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fined

I have yet to hear, in person, a turbocharged 911 that didn't sound like crap. Surely there are some good ones that have modified exhaust systems that sound great, I don't doubt a GT2 or GT2 RS sounds good in person. But what I've heard was really not good at all.

But as said, I'd still have one.

Agreed, the 911 to me sounds like a 1972 Beetle. A fast and attractive 1972 Beetle that I wouldn’t mind owning.

rmanm4 · 12-27-2021, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedoy

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Originally Posted by rmanm4

I will once I find a V8/V10 replacement....hopefully when prices return back to normal in the next couple of years.

For now, my F82 has mid pipe that makes it sound much better but nowhere near as good as it deserves!

Look no further...

That is on my list to test drive!

I love the fact that it comes in manual with a hand built 6.2L supercharged V8.

Boostedphil698 · 12-28-2021, 06:25 AM

Looks like started a debate lol. The thing I don't like about the S58 is that it uses S63 rods and there have been cases of them bending rods when tuned.

heavyD^2 · 12-28-2021, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexFL

I have an S58 with an Akrapovic midpipe and Akrapovic exhaust. It sounds pretty awesome.

I have the same setup without the midpipe. It sounds good in sport+ but I do wish I got the midpipe for the full experience.

No Boost · 12-28-2021, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Murf993

Really no comparison. AMG/MB has done 10 fold more V8's than BMW. BMW's bread and butter is the straight 6.

But, you can't deny BMW's V8 ability to propel a 4400 lb sedan through the 1/4 in 10 seconds at 130.

Mach550 · 12-29-2021, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldgixxer

I've owned several V-8 AMG's(see sig below) and never had a single issue with any.
I've had one V-8 BMW,2020 M550(yes,yes,I know not an actual M car)and had nothing but problems with it. So much so that I terminated the lease halfway through. I'll never have another 8cyl BMW. Shame because I love the low end grunt of the V8s

What issues did you have? My engines been rock solid and I definitely hammer it almost daily.

Bimmersandmopars · 12-29-2021, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boostedphil698

Looks like started a debate lol. The thing I don't like about the S58 is that it uses S63 rods and there have been cases of them bending rods when tuned.

The only downside to the s58 so far is the batch of units that had thrust bearing recalls.

That motor has some serious potential and the best way to describe it is a fast high revving motor. My wife had a 22 LCI X3M Comp that she enjoyed driving due to power, but hated the suspension harshness and the sound. She basically called it a "German born rice burner". I about died laughing because honestly, she was right.

Bimmersandmopars · 12-29-2021, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by heavyD^2

I have the same setup without the midpipe. It sounds good in sport+ but I do wish I got the midpipe for the full experience.

If still looking for a mid pipe I have the one Dinan recently released still brand new in box and never had a chance to install it before wife traded in her 22 LCI x3m comp.

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Oldgixxer Captain 2085 Rep 848 Posts Drives: nothing fast Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: The Lowcountry,SC iTrader: (0)	I've owned several V-8 AMG's(see sig below) and never had a single issue with any. I've had one V-8 BMW,2020 M550(yes,yes,I know not an actual M car)and had nothing but problems with it. So much so that I terminated the lease halfway through. I'll never have another 8cyl BMW. Shame because I love the low end grunt of the V8s __________________ -'24 X5MC,'22 430i -'09 Busa,'05 GSXR-1K(GT28R turbo)'00 Busa(GT3582) Gone but not forgotten: -'22 X3MC,'20 M550i,'18 X2,F30 328xi,'07 E63 AMG (1st W211 63 in the 11s),997 C4S Cab,CLS55 AMG,E55 AMG,C55AMG
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Sedoy Major 724 Rep 1,027 Posts Drives: F10 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New England iTrader: (0)	BMW S63 V8 engines are mainly based on N63 which are notorious for bad reliability. Later variations of N63 (TUs) and S63s are typically better than older generations of N63, but I would definitely pick AMG over S63 in terms of reliability. If you want a reliable BMW go with inline 6. The new S58 engine is a masterpiece. . Last edited by Sedoy; 12-27-2021 at 01:09 PM..
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Murf993 Major 14097 Rep 1,336 Posts Drives: Porsche 993 Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Dog Lake, South Frontenac, Ontario Canada iTrader: (0)	Really no comparison. AMG/MB has done 10 fold more V8's than BMW. BMW's bread and butter is the straight 6.
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omasou Brigadier General 2126 Rep 3,025 Posts Drives: BMWs Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: US iTrader: (4) Garage List 2023 BMW S1000RR [0.50] 2022 BMW F900XR [3.00] 2022 BMW X6 40i [0.50] 2020 BMW M2C [9.50]	I've owned a BMW E70 V8. I will never buy another V8 or V6 period. I've owned a MB C32 AMG, 6 cylinder and I will never buy another MB. If you are keeping the vehicle for less than 5 years then, I would buy the brand you prefer. If you plan to keep beyond the warranty, I would read up on the BMW N63 issues, there are many and the MB AMG head bolt issue. I don't follow MB anymore so not sure if this was ever resolved in future engine designs.
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