Who flew it best, MiG-29 or F-22?

The Choosey begger · 12-11-2019, 07:23 AM

MKSixer · 12-11-2019, 08:10 AM

The 29 is such a beautiful airframe but when placed against the F22 it definitely looks a bit dated.

Great video!!

vreihen16 · 12-11-2019, 08:14 AM

Interesting how the MiG blows just as much smoke as their only aircraft carrier.....

detroitm2 · 12-11-2019, 09:51 AM

Neither.. Boeing 787.

miiipilot · 12-11-2019, 10:48 AM

Where is that airshow? I have never seen a MIG or Sukhoi fly, or any Euro theater fighter aircraft.

minn19 · 12-11-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by vreihen16

Interesting how the MiG blows just as much smoke as their only aircraft carrier.....

Russian/old Eastern Bloc engines always did and it was a huge disadvantage for them. You could see that smoke trail for miles if weather permitted.

minn19 · 12-11-2019, 10:56 AM

Not really a fair fight, F-22 easily.

ShakyDog · 12-11-2019, 11:40 AM

Why is Bill Murry image on the Mig? :-)
Hahaha!

Steve

Dang3r · 12-12-2019, 02:57 AM

MIG-29 is a stunner and a very serious dog fight opponent. Too sad that the russians had build it once only as a fast food plane with round about 1000FH after first flight and then just drop it.

M5Rick · 12-12-2019, 03:32 AM

Nice to see the Mig is Polish air force.

N54Yankee · 12-12-2019, 10:04 AM

The Mig is a hastily developed knock off of the Eagle and pales in comparison to the F-15. The Eagle has shot down several 29’s in AA combat and has over 100 kills in the air against all aircraft while the 29 has never splashed an Eagle nor to the best of my knowledge has it ever had an AA kill. The mig can burn but it can’t turn nearly close to the 15 and falls short in combat. The 15 is by the far superior front line fighter of the two and there isn’t a good battle history of the 22 yet but the 29 is light years behind in tech and I’m sure it’s toast if and when they go at it. Better aircraft, better jockeys, better training, better avionics, better missiles. Splash 29’s.

xander_g · 12-12-2019, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by N54Yankee

The Mig is a hastily developed knock off of the Eagle and pales in comparison to the F-15. The Eagle has shot down several 29’s in AA combat and has over 100 kills in the air against all aircraft while the 29 has never splashed an Eagle nor to the best of my knowledge has it ever had an AA kill. The mig can burn but it can’t turn nearly close to the 15 and falls short in combat. The 15 is by the far superior front line fighter of the two and there isn’t a good battle history of the 22 yet but the 29 is light years behind in tech and I’m sure it’s toast if and when they go at it. Better aircraft, better jockeys, better training, better avionics, better missiles. Splash 29’s.

I agree, but the mig is sexy though.

MPOWER5266 · 12-12-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by miiipilot

Where is that airshow? I have never seen a MIG or Sukhoi fly, or any Euro theater fighter aircraft.

Paris likely. I work Airventure and Sun and Fun every year and the F-22's are insane to watch. Ive seen an older Mig at Airventure but it was static.

b4hand · 12-12-2019, 12:58 PM

You're all wrong

yco · 12-12-2019, 01:53 PM

not that fair since MIG29 is like 40 years old now but F22 easily..

Captain Blood · 12-12-2019, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by minn19

Russian/old Eastern Bloc engines always did and it was a huge disadvantage for them. You could see that smoke trail for miles if weather permitted.

They also need overhauls MUCH more frequently. That's a tradition going back to WWII.

A more apt comparison would be the Mig or SU 27 and its derivatives vs a F15 or F/A 18.

vreihen16 · 12-12-2019, 08:49 PM

It appears that Russia's only aircraft carrier might never sail again after a fire in port today.....

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...uznetsov-fire/

MKSixer · 12-12-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by N54Yankee

The Mig is a hastily developed knock off of the Eagle and pales in comparison to the F-15. The Eagle has shot down several 29’s in AA combat and has over 100 kills in the air against all aircraft while the 29 has never splashed an Eagle nor to the best of my knowledge has it ever had an AA kill. The mig can burn but it can’t turn nearly close to the 15 and falls short in combat. The 15 is by the far superior front line fighter of the two and there isn’t a good battle history of the 22 yet but the 29 is light years behind in tech and I’m sure it’s toast if and when they go at it. Better aircraft, better jockeys, better training, better avionics, better missiles. Splash 29’s.

I think the Eagle is 110/115 and 0. Absolutely stunning.

Edit: 103-0-3
https://migflug.com/jetflights/the-c...rently-in-use/

shoei · 12-12-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vreihen16

It appears that Russia's only aircraft carrier might never sail again after a fire in port today.....

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a30211682/admiral-kuznetsov-fire/

Insurance fraud...

N54Yankee · 12-12-2019, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MKSixer

I think the Eagle is 110/115 and 0. Absolutely stunning.

Talk about an Ace! Fighter Hall of Fame stuff

Jhanksm3 · 12-12-2019, 10:01 PM

even though I'm an F-22 weapons guy my opinion is totally unbiased, I have to go with the 22 but the best acft takeoffs to me is a B-1 bomber

MKSixer · 12-12-2019, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by N54Yankee

Talk about an Ace! Fighter Hall of Fame stuff

https://migflug.com/jetflights/the-c...rently-in-use/

3 lost to ground fire.
Air to air kill. Air to air loss. Ground fire loss.
103-0-3

1-0 agains Satellites. Freaking Satellites!!

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