BMW i5 and 5-Series Forum

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-06-2018, 02:04 PM   #1
The Automotive Enthusiast
Retired BMW Genius
The Automotive Enthusiast's Avatar
United_States
2955
Rep
3,404
Posts

Drives: 2018 Audi S5 Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: DMV

iTrader: (1)

Tesla Model 3 outsells entire BMW car lineup in August

Quote:
Tesla is selling every Model 3 it can screw together. Astonishingly, it's selling so many of them that the Model 3 outsold every BMW passenger car combined. We should note that BMW still leads if you include SUV sales, but beating the Germans at passenger cars is no small feat.

Here's the number breakdown: BMW sold 14,450 passenger cars in the U.S. market in August. This number includes sales from compact crossovers like the X1 and X2 as well. That's a 13.5 percent decrease in car sales from August 2017. Car sales tracking site GoodCarBadCar lists Model 3 sales at 20,450 for the month of August. However, that's only an estimate because Tesla doesn't report official sales numbers. Other news outlets have estimated figures in the 17,000 range. And Bloomberg's Tesla Tracker site puts the current production level of the Model 3 at 4,800 cars per week. But any of the estimates are safely above BMW's exact figure. The BMW 3 Series (the Model 3's direct competitor) sold only 3,751 cars in August.

Lexus led the luxury vehicle segment, but its big winners were crossovers. From the start of the year, BMW is up compared to 2017 because of its SUVs as well. Tesla certainly isn't experiencing the same drop in car interest after this surprising month of sales. As for the BMW i3, it sold all of 418 cars last month. The company's only pure EV will be eclipsed by the new generation of electrics that BMW has in the works.

Selling this many Model 3s isn't particularly surprising given the 420,000 reservations remaining as of July. It's unlikely that all those turn into orders, but it explains why sales are so ludicrous at the moment. And In a week when the Mercedes EQC electric crossover was revealed and BMW is almost ready to show its Vision iNext concept, Tesla is starting to hear hoofbeats from competitors and needs to sell Model 3s as fast as it can.
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/06/...usauto00000016
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LucBroDude View Post
TRAITOR.
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 02:45 PM   #2
Soterios
BXR
577
Rep
636
Posts

Drives: 2012 135i
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Missouri

iTrader: (0)

Which is even more crazy considering they're selling faster than they can produce them.
__________________
2012 135i M Sport Alpine White
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 03:15 PM   #3
justinnum1
Major General
658
Rep
5,804
Posts

Drives: 2018 330i Msport 6mt
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: South Florida

iTrader: (0)

are they still completing preorders?
__________________
F30 330i Alpine white/Coral red Msport 6MT
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 03:17 PM   #4
PshhhhhMW
Major
PshhhhhMW's Avatar
555
Rep
1,028
Posts

Drives: 2021 Alpine White M550i
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: SFV, CA

iTrader: (0)

Lol what's the point? Tesla 3 is the shiny new thing.
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 04:03 PM   #5
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
7545
Rep
19,366
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

And Ford sold more F Series than all of BMW and Tesla combined.

https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/09/pic...t-2018-report/

Apples to oranges? Yes and no. For example, the average price of a Super Duty - which is an F250 and above - is over $50K.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcc...icans-be-wrong

Sure, no doubt the average price of an F Series (including F150) is still below the average price of a BMW, and certainly below the average price of a Tesla. But the point is, well, gas guzzling trucks basically print money. And secondarily, while the industry debates who is selling more luxury vehicles, Ford is quietly outselling all of them (and has been for some time, and is only growing its lead) if we use transaction price as a metric for what qualifies as a luxury vehicle.

Appreciate 6
      09-06-2018, 05:02 PM   #6
Arcades
In The Rain
Arcades's Avatar
8810
Rep
6,549
Posts

Drives: '24 GT4RS, '24 Macan GTS
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Not to mention Tesla can't deliver the 3 as fast as it is being ordered. This will forever be a problem that won't be an issue for European brands that won't also have quality control problems.

I just met a friend of mine who was one of the very first pre-order for the Model 3, JUST got his now. How long did Tesla take to deliver a car to him that and he was one of the first to put down a order?

I don't hate Tesla, I just wish these websites stop doing what traditional media does, pick and choose their facts to push things out in their view. It's annoying as hell.
__________________
'24 Porsche Cayman GT4RS Arctic Grey "Alice"
'24 Porsche Macan GTS Dolomite Silver "Gina"
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 05:15 PM   #7
vladberca
Major General
vladberca's Avatar
Romania
780
Rep
5,568
Posts

Drives: '18 octavia 2.0 tdi dsg
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Craiova

iTrader: (0)

I don't like the model 3 at all.
Is Tesla considered a premium manufacturer?
By the price or by the quality of the products?
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 05:51 PM   #8
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
7545
Rep
19,366
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by vladberca View Post
Is Tesla considered a premium manufacturer?
By the price or by the quality of the products?
Transaction price is really the only reasonable way to quantify it. Quality is subjective and not measurable in a standardized way. There was a time when a Jaguar could hardly be considered a quality product, but it was no doubt a luxury product nevertheless.
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 11:01 PM   #9
EricSMG
Captain
578
Rep
829
Posts

Drives: E46 M3
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: San Diego

iTrader: (0)

Coworker just got is 3D this week, took 3 years. Pretty cool car in person. Does 0-6 in like 3.1 or some crazy shit like that. Yikes.
Appreciate 0
      09-06-2018, 11:12 PM   #10
Germanauto
Major General
Germanauto's Avatar
United_States
9849
Rep
6,147
Posts

Drives: Alfa Romeo Giulia, Rosso
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: LA

iTrader: (0)

I don't understand why the media loves making these comparisons.

Teslas and BMWs are purchased by different clientele. Sure there is cross shopping but generally the people who want a Tesla won't consider anything else. They are a cult for a reason.
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2018, 08:56 AM   #11
Run Silent
Run Deep
Run Silent's Avatar
United_States
15088
Rep
4,123
Posts

Drives: Back and Forth To Work
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: The Mountains

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
I don't understand why the media loves making these comparisons.

Teslas and BMWs are purchased by different clientele. Sure there is cross shopping but generally the people who want a Tesla won't consider anything else. They are a cult for a reason.


Well I don't agree with that at all. I love the Tesla and I own a 3 series. There is a very high chance that my next car will be a CPO Model 3. So I am the perfect example of someone who is cross shopping and also buys other cars and considers other cars besides Tesla.
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2018, 09:04 AM   #12
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
7545
Rep
19,366
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
I don't understand why the media loves making these comparisons.

Teslas and BMWs are purchased by different clientele. Sure there is cross shopping but generally the people who want a Tesla won't consider anything else. They are a cult for a reason.
I suspect a big part of the rationale is this:

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesl...us-leaf-2018-8

"According to Tesla, the Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Toyota Prius, Nissan Leaf, and the BMW 3 Series are the five most commonly traded."

Taking Tesla at its word for the sake of argument, it is particularly revealing especially when you look at the contrast against the other types of vehicles in the list. And honestly, this does not surprise me at all based on what I know anecdotally about the typical BMW owner. And yes, I include myself in that group.
Appreciate 1
      09-07-2018, 10:26 AM   #13
Darth One
drunk poster
Darth One's Avatar
United_States
6613
Rep
3,648
Posts

Drives: M4 GTS | E46 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

so the article already acknowledges why its lead is misleading - Tesla's sales are crazy because they are racing to fill preorders - yet, they do the misleading headline anyway. typical media behavior since the dawn of the media industry.
Appreciate 3
Germanauto9849.00
John_01239.00
      09-07-2018, 11:28 AM   #14
El Wray
Private
14
Rep
73
Posts

Drives: AW X6M
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: SFBA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
I don't understand why the media loves making these comparisons.

Teslas and BMWs are purchased by different clientele. Sure there is cross shopping but generally the people who want a Tesla won't consider anything else. They are a cult for a reason.
It's a direct competitor to any entry level luxury car. The typical uneducated 3 series/X1/X3 shopper really just cares about the badge and nav. They're perfectly happy paying the least amount possible for a base config as long as it has nav. The vast majority don't care to research trim levels and options. The same type is also reluctant to buy/lease econoboxes like Leafs and Prius. In these specific cases the Model 3 is right up their alley. Tesla's 3 sales volume is just going to keep growing until more mid-dollar range EV options become available.

Last edited by El Wray; 09-07-2018 at 11:35 AM..
Appreciate 1
XMetal1242.00
      09-07-2018, 11:33 AM   #15
NickyC
Lieutenant General
NickyC's Avatar
19450
Rep
11,269
Posts

Drives: M4 CS. Former G82, x2 F82, F80
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (23)

I think a question becoming more suitable by the day is whether or not this company will even be around in a few short years? I don't trust anything, certainly not any numbers that come out of this company. They can't even keep a Chief Accounting Officer around for more than a month now.
Appreciate 2
      09-07-2018, 11:50 AM   #16
pikkagtr
Go Spurs Go
pikkagtr's Avatar
3998
Rep
2,919
Posts

Drives: '22 GR Z4 Coup '06 Z4M Rdster
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Bay Area

iTrader: (-1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mkoesel View Post
And Ford sold more F Series than all of BMW and Tesla combined.

https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/09/pic...t-2018-report/

Apples to oranges? Yes and no. For example, the average price of a Super Duty - which is an F250 and above - is over $50K.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcc...icans-be-wrong

Sure, no doubt the average price of an F Series (including F150) is still below the average price of a BMW, and certainly below the average price of a Tesla. But the point is, well, gas guzzling trucks basically print money. And secondarily, while the industry debates who is selling more luxury vehicles, Ford is quietly outselling all of them (and has been for some time, and is only growing its lead) if we use transaction price as a metric for what qualifies as a luxury vehicle.

Stop bringing logic and facts into this argument
Tsla stock is at an all time high you know....erm wait
Appreciate 1
      09-07-2018, 12:10 PM   #17
10"
Colonel
10"'s Avatar
No_Country
5110
Rep
2,297
Posts

Drives: orange BMW 1M.
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: world

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyC View Post
I think a question becoming more suitable by the day is whether or not this company will even be around in a few short years? I don't trust anything, certainly not any numbers that come out of this company. They can't even keep a Chief Accounting Officer around for more than a month now.
Yep. Tesla will be gone in a few years....stock has sank 30-40% in the past month. Their financials are a mess. Their CEO is a rambling ape.
__________________
don't read this. too late...
Appreciate 2
      09-07-2018, 12:46 PM   #18
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
7545
Rep
19,366
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyC View Post
I think a question becoming more suitable by the day is whether or not this company will even be around in a few short years? I don't trust anything, certainly not any numbers that come out of this company. They can't even keep a Chief Accounting Officer around for more than a month now.
The company itself may very well not be around long term, but the brand, IP, and assets will live on because they are quite valuable. What that means for long term support of products sold prior to such a time is indeed something of an unknown. However, in all likelihood, existing owners will not be left high and dry because that would damage the brand. That said, it is reason to give pause when considering a purchase today.
Appreciate 2
NickyC19450.00
Germanauto9849.00
      09-07-2018, 02:09 PM   #19
RichM50d
Lieutenant
335
Rep
528
Posts

Drives: ‘22 8 Series Gran Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NickyC View Post
I think a question becoming more suitable by the day is whether or not this company will even be around in a few short years? I don't trust anything, certainly not any numbers that come out of this company. They can't even keep a Chief Accounting Officer around for more than a month now.
Spot on. I wouldn’t spend my own money on a Tesla.
Appreciate 1
NickyC19450.00
      09-07-2018, 04:00 PM   #20
enjoythemusic
Captain
enjoythemusic's Avatar
362
Rep
775
Posts

Drives: 2014 BMW 435i Dinan Stage 4
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Florida

iTrader: (0)

Not a fan of their cars, yet shorting TSLA stock has paid dividends

Love their business model, look at their P/E ratio and outstanding obligations. Reminds me of an early projection TV manufacturer, they lost money on every unit sold, but they made up for it in volume.
__________________
Enjoy the Drive,

Steven
2014 435i M-Opt, M LSD, Dinan CAI/IC/BTurbo/Stage 4, ER TIC/CP, GFB DV+, Fabspeed HJS cat DP & Mich PS4S.
Appreciate 0
      09-07-2018, 06:11 PM   #21
Chihuahua
Brigadier General
Chihuahua's Avatar
4531
Rep
3,378
Posts

Drives: E30 329iS, E65 Alpina B7
Join Date: May 2012
Location: TBD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichM50d View Post
Spot on. I wouldn’t spend my own money on a Tesla.
Me neither right now. I think that in the long term Tesla will serve as a catalyst. The history of the automobile is littered with companies that couldn't survive. I'm rooting for Tesla, but they've got a big mountain to climb.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:12 PM.




g60
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST