06-05-2008, 10:39 PM | #1 |
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WTF is wrong with Greenpeace people
I mean, honeslty, BMW is working on a hydrogen based engine to eliminate emissions, VW has a project of a 100 km per liter car, and MB is also working on some alternative fuels to reduce the issue, so why on Earth are this guys complaining??? They are just showing their lack of interest on their own fight, READ AND GET INFORMED BEFORE YOU SPEAK LOSERS!!!
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06-05-2008, 10:49 PM | #2 |
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some people need to be angry at someone. in this case, they are angry at pretty much everyone.
in all emails from the dealer, all paperwork and even on my DMV registration my car model is listed as "328Ci SULEV" SULEV - Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle.
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06-06-2008, 05:57 AM | #3 |
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hydrogen based cars don't eliminate emissions - they only move them. They may be a better idea in Europe, where there is far more electricity produced from nuclear power, but in the states, H power is the dumbest idea to date. We get Hydrogen by cracking water, which requires you to pass electricity through water, and is horribly inefficient. In the US, we get over 70% of our electricity from coal powered plants. Hydrogen powered cars should be banned until the H2 can be provided by wind, hydro or nuclear power.
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06-06-2008, 09:47 AM | #4 |
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lol i dont think hydrogen is going to be viable for the future... costs too much to buy the Platinum catalyst. my school actually has developed a few hydrogen SUV's worth over 200k... and even if people started making them the already high cost of the catalyst would just go even higher
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06-06-2008, 10:15 AM | #5 |
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I don't know... if you're driving a fossil fuel powered vehicle (even hydrogen as pointed out above), there's probably a more "green" option available to you. I don't agree that these greenpeace guys are wrong. I just think they're pointing out the obvious... which is sometimes necessary.
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06-06-2008, 10:15 AM | #6 |
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The enviro's will never be happy. IMO, they're the biggest culprits for all the problems we have. Some people can never be pleased. I guess a few people get their jollies off from being disgruntled and angry their entire life.
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06-06-2008, 10:16 AM | #7 |
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OH boy after seeing those pictures, I will never get another BMW, MB or VW.
The French had it right.
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06-06-2008, 10:20 AM | #8 |
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There is nothing wrong with Greenpeace people. They are trying to make a difference in this world and want to make this earth a liveable place for generations to come. If Grrenpeace or for that matter any one doesn't protest then we will keep on burning the fuel and keep on hunting the seals. It is not right.
Most of the Car compnaies are trying to shift their focus to more fuel efficent vehicle not because they want to but because consumers are demanding them to. If the automobile manufacturers really wants to make a difference they would have done that a long time ago. All these years they were busy in counting the profit. Just like other members pointed out Hydrogen is not a Viable option . It is going to cost way more to produce and way more to put the thing on the road. When I see the BMW ad for the Hydrogen vehicle (I am not sure whether they play that in US) it makes me laugh. It says BMW is ready is the world is ready for a Hydrogen vehicle!!!! WTF. World is ready a long time ago. |
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I don't think 'most' consumers are wanting a change. They are just wanting to hop on a band wagon, and because gas is now so expensive. |
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Example : Last week my GF traded her SUV (Took a hit of 12K - 14 month old SUV) and Bought a Hybird. Her uncle who is a partner in a Oil compnay here bought a Highlander Hybird for him (Compnay told him he could get any vehicle he want). So there are some people who actually wants to make a difference. |
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What I'm trying to say also is that those Greenpeace guys should also give some credit to the effort of producing "greener" cars, they just keep complaining all the time, that's what bothers me, and c'mon, when they go on those little boats next to the oil tankers risking their lives,...there are better rational ways to address the issues IMO.
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06-06-2008, 12:46 PM | #13 |
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^ From a newspaper website from Mexico.
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I believe that every person can make a differnce if they really want. Not necssarily by driving a Hybird car. I made a change in my life and decided that I will never use the Drivethrough for any thing. I know it is a small change but if only 50% of the people stop using the drive through it will make a huge differnce. |
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06-06-2008, 02:14 PM | #16 |
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Are you sure that those banners aren't supporting what BMW, Merc and VW are doing with the initatives you mentioned? I think that's a possible interpretation. What does the article say?
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On the same token we can't just simply stop driving. However we have to come up with creative ways to minimize it. On the same note...this is what BMW,MB and VW is doing, http://www.ekolist.cz/txt_tzpr_full.stm?x=2097933 Simply because I drive BMW I will not sit here and defend them. |
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Interestingly enough, the UN says otherwise. I'm going to continue to drive my BMW made SULEV and feel no guilt.
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06-06-2008, 05:04 PM | #20 |
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What was the context of this newspaper piece? Did they describe both sides of the issue? Or are you posting this without being informed yourself?
These protestors, in Europe, are attempting to broaden public awareness of the role of 3 of the top European car manufacturers in pollution. It's negative publicity, in an attempt to promote environmentally-friendly choices by these car makers. You don't think these protestors are well-informed? |
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