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      05-29-2008, 06:27 PM   #1
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Audi Dropping 4.2 in Favor of Biturbo

Although we have yet to reach the midpoint of the well known leaked Audi roll out schedule 2012 document, so far it's been right on target. And now, this latest leaked information sent to us from Audiblog.nl lists the upcoming engine/model schedule with the production start and market launch dates. Audiblog.nl tells us the information came from an Audi Poland spreadsheet document and it is from a reliable source, however, we have not confirmed the authenticity of the information. So, take it or leave it - this information is for your enjoyment. Compared to the 2012 roll out schedule linked above, there are a few surprises.
Audi A1
In addition to the current 1.4 TFSI engines, the A1 will also receive a new 63kW (86hp) entry level 1.2-liter TFSI which is most likely based on the 70hp 1.2-liter engine that was recently shown in the new SEAT Ibiza at the Madrid Motor Show last week.
Audi S4 (B8)
The sports version of the current generation A4 will see the 4.2-liter V8 from the B7 generation get dropped, and instead, return to its B5 roots with the all new 245kW (333hp) 3.0-liter V6 bi-turbo TFSI. Available in Avant form as well as sedan, the S4 will be available in 6-speed manual transmission or double-clutch 7-speed S-tronic.
Audi S5
The Audi S5 coupe will keep its 4.2-liter V8 for now, but starting in September 2010 the bi-turbo 3.0-liter TFSI V6 as seen in the S4 will replace it. Despite the horsepower reduction from the V8's 260kW (354hp) versus the V6's 245kW (333hp), it's possible the weight savings as well as lower center of gravity of the smaller engine compensates for the reduction in output.
Audi RS5
We've already seen the RS5 acknowledged in the 2012 roll out schedule, but this document gives us a bit more. Using the same 4.2-liter V8 in the current S5, the RS5 gets a massive 70kW (96hp) bump from 260kW (354hp) to 331kW (450hp). Such an increase suggests some turbo charging shenanigans are going on, as previously speculated, however, only the 7-speed dual-clutch S-tronic transmission will be available. The RS5 hits market in July 2010.
Audi A5/S5 Sportback
The A5 Sportback will be available with 1.8 TFSI to the 3.2FSI for the petrol and 2.0 TDI to the 3.0 TDI for diesels plus all of their variants in between. However, completely unmentioned by the 2012 roll out schedule, is an S5 Sportback which receives the new 3.0-liter bi-turbo TFSI in either 6-speed manual or S-tronic7. September 2010 is the launch date.

for more see http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080529....fensive-leaked
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      05-29-2008, 06:34 PM   #2
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Sounds awesome! A bi-turbo V6 making 333bhp? Yeh yeh yeh.

Sucks for the guys that adopted the S5 early with the 4.2 FSI V8 though.
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      05-29-2008, 06:36 PM   #3
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Sounds awesome! A bi-turbo V6 making 333bhp? Yeh yeh yeh.

Sucks for the guys that adopted the S5 early with the 4.2 FSI V8 though.
Not really. When you pump a 6 cyl up with turbos, they can achieve the same or close to 0-60 numbers as a V8. However, where the V8 shines is above 60MPH. The torque for passing cannot be compared to a 4 or 6 cyl car.
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      05-29-2008, 06:47 PM   #4
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Well, yeah if you're thinking about stock vs. stock.

I mean it sucks for the V8 owners because they'll be missing out on all the mod support for the FI'd V6.
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Its about time. I loved my 2000 s4. Still like bimmers more though.
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i thought it was a supercharger? so is this officially official or what cause now i have to wait for the s4
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We've already seen the RS5 acknowledged in the 2012 roll out schedule, but this document gives us a bit more. Using the same 4.2-liter V8 in the current S5, the RS5 gets a massive 70kW (96hp) bump from 260kW (354hp) to 331kW (450hp). Such an increase suggests some turbo charging shenanigans are going on

Why would a ~30 horsepower bump over the RS4's naturally aspirated V8 suggest turbo charging shenanigans? That is definitely still a (very) high revving N/A V8.
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Why would a ~30 horsepower bump over the RS4's naturally aspirated V8 suggest turbo charging shenanigans? That is definitely still a (very) high revving N/A V8.
It would be surprising to see a turbo with such a small increase but then again a similarly small increase was with the 335i compared to the 330i and the difference between the two is mind blowing.

So if Audi has chose to fit smaller turbos to their RS4 and increase it's torque by say, 80ft/lbs then I think Audi will have a car which on both performance and usability will wipe the floor with the M3.

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Personally I doubt it will be turboed.
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Most Dealers/Car review places have already confrimed B8 S4 will be SuperCharged!!!
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i thought it was a supercharger? so is this officially official or what cause now i have to wait for the s4
Its confirmed to be a supercharged V6.

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Most Dealers/Car review places have already confrimed B8 S4 will be SuperCharged!!!
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great a 333hp turbo in an S CAR. BMW does a 300hp TT in a 335i. Audi really needs to get with it.
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great a 333hp turbo in an S CAR. BMW does a 300hp TT in a 335i. Audi really needs to get with it.
S competes with 335, RS competes with M
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S competes with 335, RS competes with M
the S will be 7k more so I guess it will
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