[importriders]

I think a lot of people are missing the main point of these vehicles. Sure it's an EV but that's second to what Tesla's are really trying to be. The future is autonomous cars and Tesla is leading the way in that area. The vast majority of people I know who own Tesla's, have a deposit on a 3, or plan to purchase a Tesla are not interested in driving dynamics, interiors, etc. They want the car to drive itself, it's just a matter of regulation.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by importriders

They want the car to drive itself, it's just a matter of regulation.

It's definitely not "just a matter of regulation". Full autonomous driving is a huge, largely unsolved technical problem, and that's where the hold up will be - not regulations. Even Tesla is now tempering expectations by saying that their autonomous tech won't really work all the time. Georgia recently passed a bill (with a unanimous vote) allowing autonomous driving, BTW: http://www.ajc.com/news/local/georgi...8mOsvE2bFv4vM/. California, Florida, Michigan, Nevada and Tennessee already allow it.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by importriders

I think a lot of people are missing the main point of these vehicles. Sure it's an EV but that's second to what Tesla's are really trying to be. The future is autonomous cars and Tesla is leading the way in that area. The vast majority of people I know who own Tesla's, have a deposit on a 3, or plan to purchase a Tesla are not interested in driving dynamics, interiors, etc. They want the car to drive itself, it's just a matter of regulation.

So then the price of these goes well north of $50k and you get a really expensive but ugly and boring looking car compared to its competition that has the gimmick of self driving which most people are afraid of or like me really do not ever want unless I'm a 100 yr old quadriplegic. Hmmm. And it's not like you couldn't equip an ICE with self driving so the ev part doesn't ultimately have an exclusivity on that anyway.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by importriders

I think a lot of people are missing the main point of these vehicles. Sure it's an EV but that's second to what Tesla's are really trying to be. The future is autonomous cars and Tesla is leading the way in that area. The vast majority of people I know who own Tesla's, have a deposit on a 3, or plan to purchase a Tesla are not interested in driving dynamics, interiors, etc. They want the car to drive itself, it's just a matter of regulation.

The Model 3 will be long gone and recycled several times before autonomous driving ever becomes reality. If what you believe is true, then Tesla just should have made a Pod with no driving Dynamics.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

So then the price of these goes well north of $50k and you get a really expensive but ugly and boring looking car compared to its competition that has the gimmick of self driving which most people are afraid of or like me really do not ever want unless I'm a 100 yr old quadriplegic. Hmmm. And it's not like you couldn't equip an ICE with self driving so the ev part doesn't ultimately have an exclusivity on that anyway.

Stop! They'll think you are a climate denier too

[importriders]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

The Model 3 will be long gone and recycled several times before autonomous driving ever becomes reality. If what you believe is true, then Tesla just should have made a Pod with no driving Dynamics.

It's already a reality...at least for freeway driving. A friend equipped his model S with the fully autonomous option and uses it for his freeway commute. Whether that is legal or not is another matter.

[importriders]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

It's definitely not "just a matter of regulation". Full autonomous driving is a huge, largely unsolved technical problem, and that's where the hold up will be - not regulations. Even Tesla is now tempering expectations by saying that their autonomous tech won't really work all the time. Georgia recently passed a bill (with a unanimous vote) allowing autonomous driving, BTW: http://www.ajc.com/news/local/georgi...8mOsvE2bFv4vM/. California, Florida, Michigan, Nevada and Tennessee already allow it.

It's works for freeway driving. Elon expects level 5 autonomy in 2 years. I have zero doubt it will become a reality.

[Fundguy1]

And....

So now I won't be allowed to drive anymore and I'll have more time to play candy pop on my phone? Joy. Its called a taxi then. Keeps getting stickier by the minute.

[Sedoy]

...And that's what new generation want. They don't give a sh!t about manual shifting or great sounding NA V8s, or handling. They don't even care about how it looks. All they want to do is to browse thru social media while driving, and as of right now Tesla is the closest product that will allow them to do it.

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

And....

So now I won't be allowed to drive anymore and I'll have more time to play candy pop on my phone? Joy. Its called a taxi then. Keeps getting stickier by the minute.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

...And that's what new generation want. They don't give a sh!t about manual shifting or great sounding NA V8s, or handling. They don't even care about how it looks. All they want to do is to browse thru social media while driving, and as of right now Tesla is the closest product that will allow them to do it.

Get off my lawn!!

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Get off my lawn!!

Exactly.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

...And that's what new generation want. They don't give a sh!t about manual shifting or great sounding NA V8s, or handling. They don't even care about how it looks. All they want to do is to browse thru social media while driving, and as of right now Tesla is the closest product that will allow them to do it.

Please, save me your tired rhetoric. I look left and right at stoplights and on the freeway (because my active cruise control ) and I see people of ALL ages playing on phones. This generation BS is tired and played out. I'm not even a part of the generation below, but if you are going to "get off my lawn!"-it, you might as well put the blame where it lies, the parents and parents of parents, which is likely your generation. It doesn't matter these days when it comes to distractions, people of all ages and generations are doing this. People don't want to drive, they want to play with phones and internet. The death of the manual transmission is partly to blame, as technology got better, autos replaced more and more manuals in applications where historically, the manual was better (performance, efficiency, etc.). In the past, all generations had no choice but to buy manuals or ridiculous 3 speed autos, then the autos got better and older AND young people started buying more, eventually pushing manuals out of the market. I'd suspect you or lots of people you know may drive autos of some kind, contributing to this. It's hard not to.

[Fundguy1]

2 speed autos.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by importriders

It's works for freeway driving. Elon expects level 5 autonomy in 2 years. I have zero doubt it will become a reality.

Eh, no. Musk said it would be here at the end of this year. Do some research. Also, Musk's FSD publicity stunt is to simply drive across the country where 99% of the road is highway.

Turns out "level 5" is vague on capability requirements.The primary focus of Level 5 is safety, using reaction tactics. It does not include parking, nor any aspect of driving that requires strategy, nor handling of communication with road workers, emergency workers or police, for example. It can't recognize trouble beyond camera range and therefore will drive right up to an event with many people crossing street rather than detour. The car would drive right next to a burning car, forest or building. It can't determine depth of water covering a street. It can't make use of convex mirrors for blind driveways and the forward radar won't substitute. So taking into account all the conditions that the car can't handle, sure "it" will be available.

[CTinline-six]

I think 100% driving autonomy is far away. Too many liability questions, especially since there will be many non-autonomous cars in the mix for years to come.

What kind of insurance would fully autonomous cars need? Who would be liable should a glitch occur? If you don't update your laptop computer, it can have usability issues and other annoyances. Many people still don't do it. Would the same be the case for autonomous cars?

I predict there will be a lot of back and forth between the autonomous car manufacturers, the government, and the insurance companies before anything is put in place.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

...And that's what new generation want. They don't give a sh!t about manual shifting or great sounding NA V8s, or handling. They don't even care about how it looks. All they want to do is to browse thru social media while driving, and as of right now Tesla is the closest product that will allow them to do it.

We have that transportation system already; it's called "the bus", "the train", "a cab", "the subway", "Uber", and "Lyft". It's all already autonomous to the passenger and they can social media their ass off.

So the new generation wants to fuck it up for the rest of us "Independents" that grew up without Participation Trophies just so they can have personalized mass transit?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by CTinline-six

I think 100% driving autonomy is far away. Too many liability questions, especially since there will be many non-autonomous cars in the mix for years to come.

What kind of insurance would fully autonomous cars need? Who would be liable should a glitch occur? If you don't update your laptop computer, it can have usability issues and other annoyances. Many people still don't do it. Would the same be the case for autonomous cars?

I predict there will be a lot of back and forth between the autonomous car manufacturers, the government, and the insurance companies before anything is put in place.

Glitch? What glitch. Come on, it will be perfect.

[Efthreeoh]

If Elon believes in Autopilot so much, why does he want to build his super tunnels?

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

If Elon believes in Autopilot so much, why does he want to build his super tunnels?

Self driving doesn't alleviate road congestion.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Self driving doesn't alleviate road congestion.

Disagree with this. One of the touted benefits of autonomous driving is to pack more cars on the road at higher speeds because computers can drive better than humans, which would make super trains underground unnecessary.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Disagree with this. One of the touted benefits of autonomous driving is to pack more cars on the road at higher speeds because computers can drive better than humans, which would make super trains underground unnecessary.

Nah.

[jpdchicago]

Wait until a few more people die (and kill others in the process) while on autopilot mode and their families start to lawyer up. We will see all of it grind to a halt until current laws are fully updated for the new technology.