[2000Z3M]

Nothing official, but I have been doing Kia Stinger surveys for a few months now.

BMW better step up their game. Also designed by former *BMW M* Vice President of Engineering Albert Biermann and Peter Schreyer.

Yeah, this should be a sweet car.

[2000Z3M]

Ok, the attchments did load right. Still not loading right but starting at 38500.

[overcoil]

Stinger looks good, but don't know if I could plunk down $40,000 on a Kia.

[c1pher]

It’s interesting in an Alfa Romeo Guilia kind of way, but I stay away from Kia and Hyundai.

[ssgtcarroll]

Lol Kia don't care.

[///M Power-Belgium]

The Kia Stinger-GT with 365HP under the hood looks really good !

[2000Z3M]

Originally Posted by MGM135is

It’s interesting in an Alfa Romeo Guilia kind of way, but I stay away from Kia and Hyundai.

Why? Look at the people on board at KIA they know their shit!

FWIW I have a 2016 KIA sorento sxl sticker was 45k. no issues with the car after 30k miles

[NFiftyWon]

Kia does have a very good warranty as well. By the way these figures are official they are listed on kia.com

[2000Z3M]

Originally Posted by NFiftyWon

Kia does have a very good warranty as well. By the way these figures are official they are listed on kia.com

no shit? guess i should have checked there.

[c1pher]

I’ve seen frends’ Hyundais and Kias and while the build quality and materials are lightyears ahead of where they were in the 90s, it seems there is a reason why they have to offer that long warranty. I also seriously considered a Genesis coupe 7 years ago and ended up with a Mustang. I felt there was a material cheapness to the electronics, the plastic trim pieces, even the tow hook cover fell off while the salesman showed it to me and couldn’t get it back on lol. I was like eh, I’ll look elsewhere.

[mkoesel]

I remain skeptical that this car will change the game much because at ~4000lbs. with 365hp, it isn't going to be moving the needle much on the excitement meter.

Hyundai/Kia either need some much smaller RWD cars where a turbocharged V6 can make for a competitive high performance machine, or they need a turbocharged V8. Alternatively, at the very least, get that V6 up and over 450hp. Or, they could go the hybrid route too, but then you are adding even more weight.

[smrtypants44]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I remain skeptical that this car will change the game much because at ~4000lbs. with 365hp, it isn't going to be moving the needle much on the excitement meter.

Hyundai/Kia either need some much smaller RWD cars where a turbocharged V6 can make for a competitive high performance machine, or they need a turbocharged V8. Alternatively, at the very least, get that V6 up and over 450hp. Or, they could go the hybrid route too, but then you are adding even more weight.

This isn't an m3 competitor, its a budget 540/530.

[BEM-S4]

Originally Posted by MGM135is

It’s interesting in an Alfa Romeo Guilia kind of way, but I stay away from Kia and Hyundai.

If you want something that's not a pretty lawn ornament you may be better off with the Kia versus the Alfa!

My main concern would be service and maintenance. Back when I had my monster diesel T-Reg they barely knew what to do with it at the dealer. I don't imagine many at the Kia dealers will have any idea what to do with this car. Would be analogous to taking an R8 into VW for service until they get to know the car a bit.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by smrtypants44

This isn't an m3 competitor, its a budget 540/530.

Except that's not how it's being positioned:

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/01/new...rts-sedan.html

While placed against both the BMW 3-Series and 4-Series Gran Coupe, as well as the Audi A4 and A5, Infiniti Q50 and Lexus IS, Kia says that, at 114.4 inches (2,905mm), it not only has a longer wheelbase than those models, but the Lexus GS and Mercedes CLS as well. Furthermore, it’s longer overall at 190.2 inches (4,831mm) and wider 73.6 inches (1,869mm), which according to Kia, allows “for spacious accommodations” and a larger cargo area than “many in its class, with enough space for full-size luggage or golf bags”.

And that's the problem. From a performance perspective, it is not going to measure up to an M340i, S4, or C43. It won't cost as much as those vehicles either, no. But wait a minute. There are loads of vehicles on the market that can get to 60mph in the mid to low 5s range that also cost nowhere near what a mid level German sport sedan does. "Oh, but they aren't RWD", you may say. Ok, sure, but then again sporty FWD/AWD vehicles are pretty damn good these days. Just how much better a sport sedan is the V6 Stinger going to be than a Ford Fusion Sport, for example? Worlds apart? Highly doubtful.

So no, its not an M3 competitor - nor would anyone think so. But, in fact, it's not even really a 340i (or, soon, M340i) competitor. So what is it? It's kind of in limbo. It's not really an exciting new entry in the world of cheap, practical, performance. It's just a pretty cool car, (that, don't get me wrong, I am glad Kia has built), but it's not a game changer.

Now, a future "Stinger N" (or whatever the Kia equivalent of a Hyundai N brand would be, if such a thing is even to exist) with specs more like what I mentioned in my last post - that would be something to shake things up a bit. Hopefully that's in the cards, but it's probably three years out at best so they had better plan for the next ante up. A C43 with a 410hp+ inline six is probably less three years out as well, just for example.

[hellrotm]

I don't get it? 365hp for $40k...what is the big deal? Much better performance per dollar cars out there.

[wdb]

Too many doors.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Lobb

But let's be frank. You're not going to get into many girl's panties driving a Kia.....

Depends what kind of chicks . Asian chicks love *rice* cars .
On the other hand...These days some chicks don't wear panties...

[damnitBobby]

This is going to make for a fun rental.

[Mingwan]

Let me get my Indian Jones decrytion device to read the specs.


The stinger is too heavy. Won't be as competitive as I thought against the upper level 3 series and a4. Kind of seems like it'll be like the new Fusion. High expectations, but under whelming. Idk.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by FriskyDingo

I've driven the Fusion Sport pretty extensively, and it's a letdown. It's a good amount of power in a decent-for-a-family sedan chassis. Nothing more. People acted like it would be a cut rate S4 competitor, and it certainly is not.

Right, and that's exactly where I am coming from. These imitators are not making the cut. Nice vehicles, yes, but ultimately not a substitute for the stalwarts.

[FriskyDingo]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

From a performance perspective, it is not going to measure up to an M340i, S4, or C43. It won't cost as much as those vehicles either, no. But wait a minute. There are loads of vehicles on the market that can get to 60mph in the mid to low 5s range that also cost nowhere near what a mid level German sport sedan does. "Oh, but they aren't RWD", you may say. Ok, sure, but then again sporty FWD/AWD vehicles are pretty damn good these days. Just how much better a sport sedan is the V6 Stinger going to be than a Ford Fusion Sport, for example? Worlds apart? Highly doubtful.

I've driven the Fusion Sport pretty extensively, and it's a letdown. It's a good amount of power in a decent-for-a-family sedan chassis. Nothing more. People acted like it would be a cut rate S4 competitor, and it certainly is not.

[Never_Enough]

Hard pass