[canesr1]

Who wins? I believe the S4 has stage 3? Will the dinan flashed 335 take it?

[sflgator]

and you'll find several threads about tuned 335i's runs w/ modded S4's. btw -- unless the S4 is highly modded, the tuned 335i will usually prevail.

[canesr1]

Originally Posted by sflgator

and you'll find several threads about tuned 335i's runs w/ modded S4's. btw -- unless the S4 is highly modded, the tuned 335i will usually prevail.

This is what some douche is posting on another board and saying his S4 with stage 3 will Smoke a modded 335
youtube.com/watch?v=fIlNiPsxS70 "that's an S4 against a 335 with vishnu and an exhaust. /videos of stage 3 s4's spanking slow cars. but hey.. at least you got the BMW BADGE!"

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by canesr1

This is what some douche is posting on another board and saying his S4 with stage 3 will Smoke a modded 335
youtube.com/watch?v=fIlNiPsxS70 "that's an S4 against a 335 with vishnu and an exhaust. /videos of stage 3 s4's spanking slow cars. but hey.. at least you got the BMW BADGE!"

"Stage 3" on the B5 S4 usually means a turbo upgrade to a K04 or similar. If set up properly, these are seriously fast Audis capable of low 12s, high 11s and 115mph+ trap speeds. Anything short of that should be fair game for a modded 335i. Here's a video of a stage 2+ S4 versus a modded 335i:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-V9a...eature=related

[down4it]

A stage 3 S4 usually pushes 380AWHP to 500AWHP so they have no problems taking out modded 335's. A stage 3 has everthing from injectors, bigger intercoolers, to larger turbos and they are usually mid to low 11 second 1/4 mile cars... It all depends on how the stage 3 was built and what it has, and what fuel it is running. When 335's have turbo upgrades available and C16 maps it will be game over for B5 S4's...

[EuroTrip]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

"Stage 3" on the B5 S4 usually means a turbo upgrade to a K04 or similar. If set up properly, these are seriously fast Audis capable of low 12s, high 11s and 115mph+ trap speeds. Anything short of that should be fair game for a modded 335i. Here's a video of a stage 2+ S4 versus a modded 335i:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-V9a...eature=related

^Terry's JB 335i did a 11.96 pass...

[down4it]

Originally Posted by EuroTrip

^Terry's JB 335i did a 11.96 pass...

I think his fastest time to date is an 11.8x...

[XS4]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

"Stage 3" on the B5 S4 usually means a turbo upgrade to a K04 or similar. If set up properly, these are seriously fast Audis capable of low 12s, high 11s and 115mph+ trap speeds. Anything short of that should be fair game for a modded 335i. Here's a video of a stage 2+ S4 versus a modded 335i:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-V9a...eature=related

depending on how you look at this video, the S4 either loses at the very end or is ahead right until then...

(edited for clarity)

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by XS4

depending on how you look at this video, the 335i either loses in the end or wins in the beginning...?

Are you watching the same video?

[XS4]

sorry my bad, I meant the -S4- gets the jump at first but slowly loses out at the end

[Mattscott]

Originally Posted by XS4

sorry my bad, I meant the -S4- gets the jump at first but slowly loses out at the end

There we go:
S4 jumped but 335 has that awesome high end power, FTW!!!

[down4it]

Originally Posted by Mattscott

There we go:
S4 jumped but 335 has that awesome high end power, FTW!!!

The jump= benifit of AWD... The 335 pulling towards the end would be the loss of power due to AWD...

[BoostedE90]

The B5 S4 (2000 -2002) is a 2.7L biturbo. Stock the car has 250 AWHP and 258 ft lb (I would assume those are crank numbers). A very well known tuning company in the Audi scene (APR - www.goapr.com) has a stage III kit for the B5 that puts it well into the mid 4's in AWHP and a little more in torque. That is just with the kit... not including supporting mods such as full exhaust, intercooler(s), etc...

A slightly modded B5 S4 (stage I or stage II) wouldn't stand a chance against a Procede, JBS2, or Dinan 335i. Now a fully modded stage III B5 S4 that would be a different story. I've personally seen an APR Stage III B5 S4 put down 454 AWHP and 489 ft lb on a mustang dyno. Not that I don't think the 335i is capable of those numbers (actually I think the 335i has much more potential than that) I have yet to see a 335i put down those type numbers... yet!

[jerrygarcia]

it really depends on how well the s4 is running and if the tune is up to date. I would give the edge to the s4.

[B'CahiLL-The Boss]

I wonder if there is aftermarket fuel injectors for the 335 =)

[down4it]

Originally Posted by B'CahiLL-The Boss

I wonder if there is aftermarket fuel injectors for the 335 =)

Nope...

[FastLane]

Originally Posted by B'CahiLL-The Boss

I wonder if there is aftermarket fuel injectors for the 335 =)

The injectors aren't really the concern at hand. The fuel pump on the otherhand, cannot keep up with high hp applications.

You are better off swaping your fuel pump for a higher application one before you swap out the injectors. (But sooner than later if you want a 450+ whp safe* vehicle, you are prolly going to want to swap the injectors).

*everyday driving capabilities with minimal risk for engine failure

[EvilEmpirE]

Originally Posted by Garissimo

"Stage 3" on the B5 S4 usually means a turbo upgrade to a K04 or similar. If set up properly, these are seriously fast Audis capable of low 12s, high 11s and 115mph+ trap speeds. Anything short of that should be fair game for a modded 335i. Here's a video of a stage 2+ S4 versus a modded 335i:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-V9a...eature=related

thats interesting but what you guys fail to realize is that the Stage 2+ S4 in that video is an Automatic (Tiptronic). Take a 6-speed B5 S4 at Stage 2+ (Chip, DP, Exhaust) and I can have it running mid to lo 12's and trapping 109-114 MPH in the 1/4. This would put it as a "drivers race" in my book......no?

[EvilEmpirE]

Originally Posted by canesr1

This is what some douche is posting on another board and saying his S4 with stage 3 will Smoke a modded 335
youtube.com/watch?v=fIlNiPsxS70 "that's an S4 against a 335 with vishnu and an exhaust. /videos of stage 3 s4's spanking slow cars. but hey.. at least you got the BMW BADGE!"

thats my S4 station wagon doing a couple of pulls with CEA (Charlie) of this forum.

Here is facts:

A strong running 335i (Strong Tune, Exhaust, DP's, etc)

versus

A strong running B5 S4 Stage 3 (K04's and fueling)

will equal in this outcome........

The race will be close up to 85 mph or so......for example, the S4 will lead by a car or so......after that, the 335 will get walked......HARD, very hard. Multiple carlengths

A well-running Stage 3 S4 will trap 119-123 MPH........I believe most strong 335's are trapping 109-112? Perhaps one hit 116 if I'm not mistaken?

Bottom line.......a well running Stage 3 S4 will pull handily and easily against a well running modded 335i. We've done multiple pulls with a well known member from here....WALKED U.....and even Sherwin would say though the 335i is getting closer......it is not that close by any means.

I've got some of the videos.....let me see if I can find them

[Garissimo]

Originally Posted by EvilEmpirE

thats interesting but what you guys fail to realize is that the Stage 2+ S4 in that video is an Automatic (Tiptronic). Take a 6-speed B5 S4 at Stage 2+ (Chip, DP, Exhaust) and I can have it running mid to lo 12's and trapping 109-114 MPH in the 1/4. This would put it as a "drivers race" in my book......no?

My post was meant to read that it would be a driver's race. I owned a B5 S4, six speed manual, and still have love for it. I hope rumors are true and that the upcoming B8 S4 returns to its twin turbo roots. Also, I spent a fair bit of time on the Audi forums and didn't know of any K03 equipped B5 S4s busting 114mph traps, unless they were running race gas and had some other mods.

[grkm3]

+1 for the post above,my brother and cousin both have S4 and stage 3 ko4 cars consistantly trap over 120 in the 1/4 mile.

[roozie2001]

i had an 02 a4 awd with injectors, intercooler, chip and exhaust and with all those mods my bone stock 335 is probably a little quicker.