[E90-4life]

I hate to stir up a little trouble w/ this questions here. This car has gotten thumbs up across the board, and I've come across very very very few people that don't like it. So here's your chance to voice your beef/love for the car...

[ward]

it's a neat car, but a step down for most of us 3 owners. I'm pretty sure that most of us wouldn't consider it as people who appreciate what the 3 series is all about (handling) don't really seem to be the same folks who want straight line muscle

[E90-4life]

Originally Posted by ward

it's a neat car, but a step down for most of us 3 owners. I'm pretty sure that most of us wouldn't consider it as people who appreciate what the 3 series is all about (handling) don't really seem to be the same folks who want straight line muscle

This isn't about the 3 vs. the new Camaro, it's simply a question of whether you'd consider one or not. "A step down" - doesn't get anymore nouveau riche than that.

[ward]

Originally Posted by E90-4life

This isn't about the 3 vs. the new Camaro, it's simply a question of whether you'd consider one or not. "A step down" - doesn't get anymore nouveau riche than that.

whatever,

camaro=straight line
3 = corners

people who appreciate a 3, are generally not muscle car people

[E90-4life]

Originally Posted by ward

whatever,

camaro=straight line
3 = corners

people who appreciate a 3, are generally not muscle car people

I guess you'd say the same for M3, M5, & soon to be M6 owners?

[Kamando]

For a remake off a classic muscle car that actually looks good, yes Im saying I dont like it, , give me the 2007 Dodge Challenger

[shimshimhada]

I've have to drive it, but from what I can see, I'd buy it.

I'd have to have an Exige or R400 in my garage as well though to balance it out.

[younghov85]

I love my 3-series, but you simply get more for ur money with the camaro. And it handles alot better than some make it seem. I try not to base the liking of a car only on the name, but if these both were badgeless, I think alot more would go with the camaro too.

[ward]

a mustang can't hang with a 3 in the twisties, GM certainly hasn't proven itself as a provider of up to date products.... plus we won't even see this car till 09, 10 at best

would you buy it now?? how about in 4 years when it's actually available

[ksfrogman]

Apples & oranges here. The lead designer to the new Camaro sounds Korean. I like his ideas about the Camaro being a modern interpretation of the old '69, but I agree with Shim. I'd have to drive it first. I'm a little more excited about the new Shelby Mustang and 2007 Challenger at first glance.

[Ryan@Motorwerks]

I hate to say it but the Shelby Mustang is ahuge disappoinment to me. The thing is an absoute pig, tipping the scales at over 4000 pounds! No point in that much hp in a mustang when it weighs as much as an E class.

[sdorn]

Originally Posted by ward

it's a neat car, but a step down for most of us 3 owners. I'm pretty sure that most of us wouldn't consider it as people who appreciate what the 3 series is all about (handling) don't really seem to be the same folks who want straight line muscle

This statement makes a huge assumption that I don't think is valid. I have both a 3 series which I bought as a daily driver/luxury car and a 450rwhp Mustang that I have for speed and excitement. I don't really like the new Camaro that much, but I do like the new Challenger. However, if I was going to buy another dedicated sports car it would be either a C6 Z06 or a Porche 911.

If I was in the situation where I couldn't afford either of those cars, I would choose the Challenger over the new Mustang or the theoretical Camaro.

[ksfrogman]

Originally Posted by 335e90

I hate to say it but the Shelby Mustang is ahuge disappoinment to me. The thing is an absoute pig, tipping the scales at over 4000 pounds! No point in that much hp in a mustang when it weighs as much as an E class.

That comment surprised me, so I looked up the Shelby's weight on Edmunds. It is estimated at 3600 lbs, which I agree is hefty, but then again, the 330i weighs in at 3450 lbs (only 150 lbs less). I imagine the Mustang engine block weighs much more, but otherwise, considering it's retro 1960's size, that's not bad for what it is.

[E90-4life]

Originally Posted by ward

a mustang can't hang with a 3 in the twisties, GM certainly hasn't proven itself as a provider of up to date products.... plus we won't even see this car till 09, 10 at best

would you buy it now?? how about in 4 years when it's actually available

Anything to justify your right and show my wrong. Have you pitted a Mustang against a 3? Probably not, and while I believe your assumption to be correct, the same couldn't be said for a Vette vs. an M3. Make that a Vette Z06, get some real convo going here. Not that there's much that needs to be said, at all. GM is a provider of up to date products, but I would never expect someone of the nouveau riche school to acknowledge that.

Lastly, no one that is a true car nut and not some sort of social climber, cares about whether they buy a GM, BMW, or a Ferrari, at the end of the day, cars are cars at varying degrees of performance and capability, factors that know no limit, or in this case brand.

[Hula-Hula]

The american cars has been improving lately in all aspects. The Corvette has really proven that it handles really good making almost the same time as a GT3 on N?rburgring so the Z06 will kick ass... What they don't have is that Porsche-feeling in the steering so it doesnt really matter.. altough they will get there eventually I think!! But hell yeah I'd buy a Camaro if it looked like that if I could afford it. I'm not saying I would buy it over something but I think it's a really neat car!


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[ward]

Originally Posted by E90-4life

Anything to justify your right and show my wrong. Have you pitted a Mustang against a 3? Probably not, and while I believe your assumption to be correct, the same couldn't be said for a Vette vs. an M3. Make that a Vette Z06, get some real convo going here. Not that there's much that needs to be said, at all. GM is a provider of up to date products, but I would never expect someone of the nouveau riche school to acknowledge that.

Lastly, no one that is a true car nut and not some sort of social climber, cares about whether they buy a GM, BMW, or a Ferrari, at the end of the day, cars are cars at varying degrees of performance and capability, factors that know no limit, or in this case brand.

prove schmoove, driver skill is much more important that what a car's capabilities are. A good driver in a buick could leave most people on this board in his dust on a road course.
GM is way behind the automotive curve, the vette is the only thing that has some performance (but it's still claimed to be a bit vague and lacking in feel at the edge) By the time the new Camaro is actually available nobody will give a damn about it, the car is still at least 4 years out.....

at least ford benchmarks things (GT) so they actually can compete with the cars it's supposed to compete with.

[KL2DC]

On a conceptual level it is very attractive but the big three often have a problem executing the final product (too many bean counters and cost cutting in a lot of critical areas e.g. interior), which is a shame as they have quite a bit of heritage equity to bank on.

[E90-4life]

Originally Posted by ward

prove schmoove, driver skill is much more important that what a car's capabilities are. A good driver in a buick could leave most people on this board in his dust on a road course.
GM is way behind the automotive curve, the vette is the only thing that has some performance (but it's still claimed to be a bit vague and lacking in feel at the edge) By the time the new Camaro is actually available nobody will give a damn about it, the car is still at least 4 years out.....

at least ford benchmarks things (GT) so they actually can compete with the cars it's supposed to compete with.

Anything to keep justifying your jaded, nouveau riche preception. You can trash modern American muscle cars and nod your head at all the positive reviews those cars may recieve(there are many, guess you haven't read them, or maybe you won't acknowledge that either), but you can't deny in actuality that the new, modern American car is on par w/ much of the competition, even their German competitors. Sure they don't have the eye catching style or the prestige of their foreign brethern, doesn't make them incapable of trouncing the competition on one or many crucial levels. Heck, the only reason you don't hear as much blabbing about the CTS-V is for the simple fact that it doesn't have as much street cred like what you find w/ the M3. It probably handles just as well, goes faster, and gives you plenty of bang for the buck. Not to mention it's nicely packaged and quite reliable if freinds and family are anything to go by. So keep spending big money on the cars w/ the big names, and guys like me will shop for the best performance on the market and get the most out of the ownership experience because we followed our hearts and not grandiose public preception. Plus we'll have some extra cash lying around.

Cheers,

[E90-4life]

Yep, plenty of people won't want this car by the time it hits our streets.... I'm 110% on that one.. ha

[younghov85]

Thats very true, E90-4life. I hate when people say, "I wont get it, its american" thats so sterotypical nowndays. This new camaro will be very popular when it arrives, its only a matter of time. The only thing that must be changed is the corvette engine. You cant have two cars with the same engine but with totally diff. price ranges.

[E90-4life]

Originally Posted by younghov85

Thats very true, E90-4life. I hate when people say, "I wont get it, its american" thats so sterotypical nowndays. This new camaro will be very popular when it arrives, its only a matter of time. The only thing that must be changed is the corvette engine. You cant have two cars with the same engine but with totally diff. price ranges.

The LS2 has been around for ages, and they'll continue to refine this engine until they develop something entirely new. There will even be an even more outrageous Corvette positoned above the Z06, goes by the name "blue devil" at the moment. There are pics floating around of such a car thrashing about the Nurbrigring in Germany. So w/ the coming of this car w/ an even more outrageous engine(700hp is what's being said right now), I'm more than sure they'll upgrade the base Vette's engine or simply detune it, or offer something different all together w/ the new Camaro. W/ out a doubt though I'd expect to see GM's performance leg pump out an SS version w/ 400+ hp, look for 300+ to be in the base V8 engine. No matter how you look at it this will be the car to watch, and above, the car that could help turn things around @ GM. GM doesn't need to be saved, they've got the smarts and the cash, now it's time to use it. It's product, product, and product that's paramount in this situation.

[younghov85]

Very true i just hope that the camaro will be like $25,000 for the 400hp V8 cause if so my car will be getting traded in. What year do u suppose it will hit the market?