[MikeASU09]

What is up with the freakishly great output of these 4 cyls? Yes, it's still in concept, but what if it makes it?

Thoughts?

Audi TT Sportback Concept: A 400 HP TT Sedan Works Shockingly Well

[BMW269]

Nice but still useless. Just an more expensive and less practical A3/S3 Sedan. And FWD...like future 1 Series and 2 Series.

[davis449]

Originally Posted by Levi

Nice but still useless. Just an more expensive and less practical A3/S3 Sedan. And FWD...like future 1 Series and 2 Series.

It's an Audi, so if the car has 400 HP it won't be FWD...

[fcman]

Originally Posted by davis449

It's an Audi, so if the car has 400 HP it won't be FWD...

It wont be FWD but it's built on a FWD platform. Audis are pretty well known for their understeer.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by davis449

It's an Audi, so if the car has 400 HP it won't be FWD...

It is as FWD as a Lexus RX 450h. I'd even dare call the Bentley Continental GT FWD.

[davis449]

Originally Posted by fcman

It wont be FWD but it's built on a FWD platform. Audis are pretty well known for their understeer.

I won't disagree with that part at all. But having AWD on a FWD platform doesn't make it a FWD car. That's just fact. Understeer in an Audi can be managed just as oversteer can be managed in a BMW.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by fcman

It wont be FWD but it's built on a FWD platform. Audis are pretty well known for their understeer.

having driven different types of Audis and BMWs fairly extensively i can tell you that the stereotype that Audis 'understeer' is true but blown way out of proportion.

In addition to my 1M which oversteers like a stabbed raccoon......i also own a 1st generation MK1 Audi TT Coupe (which IMO is a total classic design). In stock form, the car was very very neutral when driven hard. I remember tracking it at Road America shortly after i got it and it was stock (it is now very much modified) and i kept up easily with a Porsche 964 around every corner and remembering if anything it had a twitchy tail that wanted to slide out a bit. Is there understeer? YES.....is it controllable with the right driving technique? absolutely.

I still drive the TT from time to time and feel it is a lot of fun to drive and throw around. Of course the modifications i've made make it very stiff and neutral....but it's punchy and small and fun to squirt around in a way that is different than BMWs. You can feel the traction everywhere and that has a certain amount of appeal. In addition to that, it's amazing how people still love the 1st generation TT....get asked about it everywhere i take it and get people offering to buy it from me. It really is the definition of an 'iconic' car design.....even though it's not that 'rare' or anything.

That being said....this "4 door" TT is disgusting. An insult to the original idea.

[Year's_End]

I'd imagine that the main reason you'd opt for this is styling. Problem is that it does absolutely nothing for me; it's just another Audi sedan with a chopped roof.

[Inablur]

its amazing how audi wants to make a "4 door" out of everything they have.

[F1Venom]

Originally Posted by Inablur

its amazing how audi wants to make a "4 door" out of everything they have.

Good thing they've left the R8 alone. For now that is....

[M3guy3]

Originally Posted by F1Venom

Good thing they've left the R8 alone. For now that is....

they make a 4 door R8, all is lost.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by F1Venom

Good thing they've left the R8 alone. For now that is....

Originally Posted by M3guy3

they make a 4 door R8, all is lost.

...kind of a packaging impossibility to make a 2+2 when you've got an engine sitting right behind the driver's seat.

[Inablur]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

...kind of a packaging impossibility to make a 2+2 when you've got an engine sitting right behind the driver's seat.

Wouldn't be surprised if they bring a 4 door 2+2 LWB version

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Inablur

Wouldn't be surprised if they bring a 4 door 2+2 LWB version

Not sure if you're serious but that just wouldn't make sense lol

[Inablur]

lol sarcasm

[Taskmaster]

Audi and VW as a whole are garbage. There is no reason for this car (and the brand as a whole) to exist.

[airshaq20]

I also owned a first gen TT and modded it like most frequent forumers.
IMO, the quattro is garbage - I'll take any RWD 3 series with AS tires vs a Quattro TT on any tire. Secondly, their manual transmission feels like it came straight from the cheapest VW product they make, it is nowhere near as smooth shifting as any manual BMW I've owned. Third, their stock suspension is hard like a rock but doesn't equate to good handling. BMW stock suspension is "soft" but handles much much better than my TT. Forth, they understeer too much.

I've owned 2 Audis in the past (TT and A4) and will never buy any VW or Audi again unless maybe an R8 or their RS lines but then again, I'd get an M instead.

Originally Posted by IEDEI

having driven different types of Audis and BMWs fairly extensively i can tell you that the stereotype that Audis 'understeer' is true but blown way out of proportion.

In addition to my 1M which oversteers like a stabbed raccoon......i also own a 1st generation MK1 Audi TT Coupe (which IMO is a total classic design). In stock form, the car was very very neutral when driven hard. I remember tracking it at Road America shortly after i got it and it was stock (it is now very much modified) and i kept up easily with a Porsche 964 around every corner and remembering if anything it had a twitchy tail that wanted to slide out a bit. Is there understeer? YES.....is it controllable with the right driving technique? absolutely.

I still drive the TT from time to time and feel it is a lot of fun to drive and throw around. Of course the modifications i've made make it very stiff and neutral....but it's punchy and small and fun to squirt around in a way that is different than BMWs. You can feel the traction everywhere and that has a certain amount of appeal. In addition to that, it's amazing how people still love the 1st generation TT....get asked about it everywhere i take it and get people offering to buy it from me. It really is the definition of an 'iconic' car design.....even though it's not that 'rare' or anything.

That being said....this "4 door" TT is disgusting. An insult to the original idea.

[davis449]

Originally Posted by airshaq20

I also owned a first gen TT and modded it like most frequent forumers.
IMO, the quattro is garbage - I'll take any RWD 3 series with AS tires vs a Quattro TT on any tire.

I disagree. Both forms of Quattro (Haldex Gen IV and later and Torsen) are great AWD systems. I would agree that the Gen II Haldex on the 1st gen. TT and MKIV R32 etc. are inferior to the Gen IV I just came from in my former 2011 A3. Your ownership of one clearly shades your view on Quattro and, to some degree, rightfully so.

Secondly, their manual transmission feels like it came straight from the cheapest VW product they make, it is nowhere near as smooth shifting as any manual BMW I've owned.

I've owned 2 Audis in the past (TT and A4) and will never buy any VW or Audi again unless maybe an R8 or their RS lines but then again, I'd get an M instead.

That's because the MK1 TT is on a crap platform and uses crap components (trans. is one of them) from VW. It uses a fucking MKIV Golf\GTI chassis and shares many parts with the the MKIV Golf/GTI so, yeah, it sucks. No surprise there. The MKII TT is a far superior car. Night and day from a MKI.

Third, their stock suspension is hard like a rock but doesn't equate to good handling. BMW stock suspension is "soft" but handles much much better than my TT. Forth, they understeer too much.

Agreed.