[ybbiz34]

Official photos and reveal due September 24.

The W205 C63 is set to appear at the Paris Motor Show (October).

Affalterbach, Sep 18, 2014

Affalterbach. The story of the high-performance C-Class powered by eight-cylinder engines began in 1997 with the C 43 AMG. The successors in the guise of the C 55 AMG and C 63 AMG underscored the significance of the powerful V8 engines for AMG's brand promise of "Driving Performance". With sales of some 40,000 vehicles, the C 63 AMG is also the best-selling AMG model to date. One thing is clear already: its successor will further raise the bar in terms of performance and fuel consumption. The power source of the new C 63 is of course once again a V8 engine and closely related to that of the Mercedes-AMG GT.

The first C 63 AMG celebrated its market launch in 2008. Around 8000 of these high-performance C-Class vehicles were sold in 2012, the year with the strongest sales. The successor model will shortly celebrate its world premiere as a saloon and as an estate model. Under its bonnet is a highly efficient AMG 4.0-litre V8 Biturbo engine based on the sports car engine of the Mercedes-AMG GT.

"It goes without saying that the successor to the current C 63 AMG will again be powered by an eight-cylinder engine. We owe that to our loyal fans, plain and simple", says Tobias Moers, CEO of Mercedes-AMG GmbH. "The AMG V8 Biturbo engine mesmerises not only with maximum power and torque, but also with the absolute best fuel economy in the comparative segment“.

The world's most economical high-performance eight-cylinder engine

Under the bonnet of the C 63 AMG's successor is an all-new 4.0-litre V8 Biturbo engine. The eight-cylinder Biturbo engine will deliver exceptional performance with an unrivalled power output range of up to 375 kW (510 hp) and 700 Nm (516 lb-ft) of torque. At the same time the eight-cylinder high-performance vehicle impresses with low emissions and the world's best fuel economy in the segment. The latest member of the AMG BlueDIRECT engine family sets absolute standards with a fuel consumption of 8.2 litres/100 km (NEDC combined).

Début for the C 63 AMG in 2007: more AMG than ever before

The 40th anniversary of Mercedes-AMG GmbH was a special reason for AMG fans to celebrate. The C 63 AMG (model series 204) marked a new standard for high-performance sports saloons. The top-of-the-line C-Class model was powered by an AMG 6.3-litre V8 engine. With a rated power output of 336 kW (457 hp) and a peak torque of 600 Nm the high-rev naturally aspirated engine was unrivalled in this segment. Powered by this engine the C 63 AMG accelerated from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.5 seconds (Estate: 4.6 sec.); the top speed was limited electronically to 250 km/h. In conjunction with the AMG Performance package Plus that became available as an option in 2009, power output jumped to 358 kW (487 hp). Engine components from the SLS AMG super sports car increased the V8 engine's willingness to rev and its agility.

The power was transmitted by the AMG SPEEDSHIFT PLUS 7G-TRONIC transmission with three transmission modes and double-declutching function. The sports suspension with 18-inch light-alloy wheels in conjunction with a completely redesigned front axle, speed-sensitive sports steering and 3-stage ESP® offered maximum driving pleasure and markedly dynamic handling.

Design and equipment: more stand-alone character than ever before

The C 63 AMG differed from the production C-Class more clearly than ever before: in addition to AMG bodystyling with power domes, flared front wings, a rear bumper with diffuser insert, a sports exhaust system with two chrome-plated dual tailpipes and a spoiler lip added hallmark brand highlights. The interior was dominated by sports seats with integral head restraints, the three-spoke AMG Performance steering wheel with flat bottom, and the tube-design AMG instrument cluster with special main menu.

Model update in 2011: technical upgrades, Coupé and Black Series

With the model update in January 2011, the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT 7-speed sport transmission boosted driving dynamics while playing a part in reducing fuel consumption at the same time. Numerous design modifications and technical updates increased the car's appeal. In addition, the C 63 AMG Coupé came onto the market: The attractive two-door car celebrated its market launch in July 2011.

That same year Mercedes-AMG presented the temporary highlight in the form of C 63 AMG Coupé Black Series – a fascinating sports car for passionate lovers of powerful vehicles. With a maximum power output of 380 kW (517 hp) and 620 Nm of torque, the high-performance Coupé remains the most powerful C-Class model to date. Thanks to technology transfer from the SLS AMG – the super sports car supplies the forged pistons, piston rods and lightweight crankshaft – the Coupé delivered high-calibre performance. The C 63 AMG Coupé Black Series sprinted from 0 to 100 km/h in 4.2 seconds, the top speed was an electronically limited 300 km/h.

The adjustable coil-over suspension was also a contributing factor in the hallmark AMG Driving Performance, as was the high-performance compound braking system and the functional standard equipment level. The AMG Track package and the Aerodynamics package were available to further enhance driving dynamics.

Since April 2013: the C 63 AMG "Edition 507"

In April 2013, the C 63 AMG "Edition 507" celebrated its market launch.A power output of 373 kW (507 hp) and now 610 Nm of torque lend all three body styles of the C 63 AMG an even more dynamic character. The high-performance composite braking system, part of the standard equipment of the "Edition 507", likewise delivers enhanced performance. The special dynamic nature is also reflected in distinctive, sporty exterior and interior highlights – from the bonnet with high-gloss black air vents and the 19-inch forged cross-spoke wheels to special flourishes in the interior. The "Edition 507" continues to be available as a Coupé.

Official F1® Medical Car in Formula 1® and Safety Car in the DTM racing series

With the C 63 AMG Estate as the Official F1® Medical Car Mercedes-AMG has been helping to ensure maximum safety in Formula 1® since 2008. In the popular DTM German Touring Car Masters racing series the C 63 AMG Coupé Black Series sees duty as the Safety Car. In the 2014 DTM season Mercedes‑Benz starts seven DTM Mercedes AMG C-Coupé racing cars.

The new high-performance model of the latest C-Class can look back on an impressive family history. There are five direct ancestors, the C 63 AMG, C 55 AMG, C 32 AMG, C 43 AMG and the C 36 AMG. The 190 E 2.3-16 and 190 E 2.5-16 with the legendary "sixteen-valve" engine and the 190 E 3.2 AMG with powerful AMG six-cylinder engine may rightfully also be considered its spiritual forefathers.

http://media.daimler.com/dcmedia/0-9...=1411076916998

[5soko]

Man, i cant wait to see what this car offers. I am more excited for this debut then i was for the M3/M4...

[Ezio]

going to be faster than a M3 watch...

[Mike_L]

No AWD? I thought AMG finally learned that you can't put big power down through 2 wheels on street tires. I guess not.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Mike_L

No AWD? I thought AMG finally learned that you can't put big power down through 2 wheels on street tires. I guess not.

Well, the W204 C63 507 Edition managed a 12.2 1/4 mile @ 117+ mph with both Car & Driver and Motor Trend (it also handled the 0-60 sprint in 3.8 seconds with those same two publications).

In the Motor Trend comparison against the AWD RS5, the RWD C63 recorded a quicker 1/4 mile time and a quicker 0-60 time.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...07_comparison/

The 507 was equipped with 255-section rear tires (Continental ContiSportContact 5P).

I'm a drag strip novice and my personal best time with my '13 C63 is 12.1 (on 255-section Continental ExtremeContact DWs), although I know those that have made it into the 11s bone stock.

The new W205 C63 has been spied with larger 265-section tires in the rear (every mule has had these). The car will weigh 220+ lbs than the previous generation.

Two questions:

1) Given those numbers above, how did the W204 fail to put the power down (especially considering it put down numbers that were better than the AWD RS5)?

2) What makes you say the W205 will fail to put the power down, given the fact that no one has tested it yet?

Now, keep in mind, I'm not arguing that the C63 couldn't put down better numbers with AWD. I just don't understand why you are speculating about potential poor performance with the W205 when the W204's most powerful iteration put down better numbers that one of its AWD rivals (the RS5).

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Well, the W204 C63 507 Edition managed a 12.2 1/4 mile @ 117+ mph with both Car & Driver and Motor Trend (it also handled the 0-60 sprint in 3.8 seconds with those same two publications).

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...07_comparison/

The 507 was equipped with 255-section rear tires (Continental ContiSportContact 5P).

I'm a drag strip novice and my personal best time with my '13 C63 is 12.1 (on 255-section Continental ExtremeContact DWs), although I know those that have made it into the 11s bone stock.

The new W205 C63 has been spied with larger 265-section tires in the rear (every mule has had these). The car will weigh 220+ lbs than the previous generation.

Two questions: 1) Given those numbers above, how did the W204 fail to put the power down?

2) What makes you say the W205 will fail to put the power down, given the fact that no one has tested it yet?

My friend bought a 2014 GT500, and could never get near the times the pros would get. he hated how the car couldn't grip, and it was really a handful. point being if AMG and ford, made wider tries the average person would be able to handle the car easier. Instead of trying harder to get the cars to grip. IMO 255 is stupidly small. I run 285s on my stock M3.

sure the probs can probably use there skills, to get goods times with a "handicap" tire.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Ezio

My friend bought a 2014 GT500, and could never get near the times the pros would get. he hated how the car couldn't grip, and it was really a handful. point being if AMG and ford, made wider tries the average person would be able to handle the car easier. Instead of trying harder to get the cars to grip. IMO 255 is stupidly small. I run 285s on my stock M3.

sure the probs can probably use there skills, to get goods times with a "handicap" tire.

You missed the end of my post. The new M3/M4 has its share of traction issues. I know because I've driven it several times. Even in MDM, the traction control light was constantly flickering because of the massive amount of torque.

To me, that's part of the fun with a car like the M3/M4 or C63. You can play with the car a little bit and when you turn the nannies off, you're relying on your skill to reign in oversteer, etc.

The CLA45 is AWD. The CLS63 is AWD. The E63 is AWD. There are plenty of choices for those that want AWD performance. The W205 C63 is designed to compete with the M3/M4. Thus, it has remained RWD.

Anyway, more information to address the "grip" issue.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/140...r-for-amg-c63/

“The new C63 will have traction like no other RWD car,” a Mercedes insider told Wheels.

Key to the new car’s boosted traction is a heavily reworked version of AMG’s traditional steel suspension set-up, which gets unique track widths and lower ride height, and firmer springs and dampers.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

You missed the end of my post. The new M3/M4 has its share of traction issues. I know because I've driven it several times. Even in MDM, the traction control light was constantly flickering because of the massive amount of torque.

To me, that's part of the fun with a car like the M3/M4 or C63. You can play with the car a little bit and when you turn the nannies off, you're relying on your skill to reign in oversteer, etc.

The CLA45 is AWD. The CLS63 is AWD. The E63 is AWD. There are plenty of choices for those that want AWD performance. The W205 C63 is designed to compete with the M3/M4. Thus, it has remained RWD.

Anyway, more information to address the "grip" issue.

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/news/140...r-for-amg-c63/

“The new C63 will have traction like no other RWD car,” a Mercedes insider told Wheels.

Key to the new car’s boosted traction is a heavily reworked version of AMG’s traditional steel suspension set-up, which gets unique track widths and lower ride height, and firmer springs and dampers.

i mean either way. I would rather have wider tires than 255s.

I even feel they should put wider rims/tires just to make the car look aggressive. 255 is peanuts. putting the traction thing aside.

I dont know of any "real" perforuamce car with such small tires. when i say real i mean fast cars, not a GTI or STI.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Ezio

i mean either way. I would rather have wider tires than 255s.

I even feel they should put wider rims/tires just to make the car look aggressive. 255 is peanuts. putting the traction thing aside.

I dont know of any "real" perforuamce car with such small tires. when i say real i mean fast cars, not a GTI or STI.

The W205 will have 265s in the rear. Folks regularly put 275s on the W204 C63 (with no rubbing). Personally, I've had no issues with the OEM tire widths.

At a certain point, if you go too wide, you start to get a mushy sidewall.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

The W205 will have 265s in the rear. Folks regularly put 275s on the W204 C63 (with no rubbing). Personally, I've had no issues with the OEM tire widths.

At a certain point, if you go too wide, you start to get a mushy sidewall.

again for me, its almost not even about the traction. Its about the fact I am running a 255s on my performance car. call it a ego thing if you want.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Ezio

again for me, its almost not even about the traction. Its about the fact I am running a 255s on my performance car. call it a ego thing if you want.

I'm not going to argue with your personal taste/preference. It's not my business. You should be able to set up a car however you'd like.

Personally, I'm primarily concerned with performance. I've been just fine with the 255s. That said, I welcome the 265s on the W205. The AMG engineers know what they're doing.

Let's please keep the thread on track though. This doesn't need to turn into a tire width debate.

[ybbiz34]

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[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

I'm not going to argue with your personal taste/preference. It's not my business. You should be able to set up a car however you'd like.

Personally, I'm primarily concerned with performance. I've been just fine with the 255s. That said, I welcome the 265s on the W205. The AMG engineers know what they're doing.

Let's please keep the thread on track though. This doesn't need to turn into a tire width debate.

No worries. As you know i joined the AMG forum as i am really excited about this car. I only have love for it.

[swanson]

Screw AWD. Thank God for RWD V8's!

[swanson]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

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Man, this thing is gonna rape the competition.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by Ezio

No worries. As you know i joined the AMG forum as i am really excited about this car. I only have love for it.

I also know that you're an enthusiast that appreciates multiple brands (rather than pledging allegiance solely to Porsche, BMW M, Audi Quattro, Cadillac V, etc.).

Lately, I have been very impressed by AMG's offerings. AMG's cars are more dynamic and well-rounded than ever.

I thoroughly enjoyed the new F80/F82 M3/M4. Although I'll be keeping the W204 for a very long time, I'm confident I'll be adding an F80 or W205 to the stable at some point.

I'm also looking forward to driving the ATS-V. The standard ATS has an absolutely brilliant chassis.

[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by swanson

Agreed. The maximum output numbers posted by Daimler in the official release today really wowed me:

Up to 510 hp and 516 ft-lb (I'm guessing this will be the output for the "S" model).

[cloakster]

Imagine that engine with a tune, easily 600hp+. Cannot wait for the pics

[swanson]

Originally Posted by ybbiz34

Agreed. The maximum output numbers posted by Daimler in the official release today really wowed me:

Up to 510 hp and 516 ft-lb (I'm guessing this will be the output for the "S" model).

Think about this. The last C63 weighed 38XXlbs and was plenty fast, this one is gonna weigh about 200lbs or so less, with more hp and that massive torque. I cant see anything in its class that can compete. We know nothing about the ATS-V yet, but I hope its gonna have close to 500hp or its not gonna compare.

[BMW269]

Can say good-bye to anything in this class, unless the Giulia GTA will get the 3.8l V8, but won't happen. And the Q50 ER will surely be limited edition.

[fecurtis]

Sounds sick. Looking forward to seeing what it looks like.

[///MCFC]

i absolutely love what i've seen about this car so far. any rumors on pricing yet?