A few hours with the engineers from Munich

Windy City · 09-15-2014, 10:56 PM

Spent 4 hours this afternoon with a large group of BMW engineer's in town from Munich.

We were a group of approximately 12 customers invited for a 4 hour discussion on what is good, what is bad, and what things we would like to see.

One of the most interesting auto related things I have ever done.

I asked the engineers at the end of the discussion if they all liked there jobs, unequivocally they group said yes! (Ja)

A terrific group of people and great listeners.

No wonder the brand is so successful.

DVC · 09-15-2014, 11:59 PM

Oh man...please tell us you asked them a bunch of questions about what they're working on!

NickyC · 09-16-2014, 12:06 AM

I would have asked them to try their best to make basic engine components (water pump, oil pump, turbos, bearings, vanos, etc.) last longer than 50k miles.

-Wingman- · 09-16-2014, 02:11 AM

Wish I was there. I probably would've been kicked out or beaten up by the engineers in the back alley, though.

Johnathonmatthias · 09-16-2014, 02:17 AM

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USPSALIMITED · 09-16-2014, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Windy City

I asked the engineers at the end of the discussion if they all liked there jobs, unequivocally they group said yes! (Ja)

If you really want to know, you need to ask this question one on one, preferably after a couple beers

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qcocjnoralsm · 09-16-2014, 05:42 AM

I would have asked them to try their best to make basic engine components

bimmerbuff · 09-16-2014, 11:17 AM

Did FWD vs RWD come up at all?

Can I ask how you got invited to such an event? Sounds really cool.

Billup · 09-16-2014, 12:37 PM

Hopefully you told them to have RWD back and NA motors.

Nkc · 09-16-2014, 01:02 PM

Lol, we all know that nobody at bmw gives a rat's ass what we think as enthusiasts. Like throwing out sales figures every month is going to impress us. That I truly don't give a rat's ass about. The more you sell, the more I disagree with the brand.

You use to be cool. Now you went all main stream and sold out.

Windy City · 09-16-2014, 05:59 PM

The event was very interesting and I was honored to be an invitee.

My dealer (Laurel BMW) is THE better dealer in the Chicagoland area. Not only in sales but more importantly in knowledge.

Pat Womack the GM there is very involved in the brand. Customer and dealer feedback is huge with BMW.

I would say, after all points were fielded, the biggest challenge BMW faces is the government.

The limitations placed on all the automakers are difficult to say the least. Of course the largest of these is fuel economy. With the new requisite of +54 MPG,(2025) a lot of challenges lie ahead.

Think of it this way, for every car that doesn't hit that number, there must be one that does better.

Some of you guys think you are enthusiast here (and I am sure are) and they don't care but that's not true. I genuinely feel BMW thinks of every owner as an enthusiast. Either current, or becoming.

The one "new thing coming" that I was happy about was the M2. I am looking forward to one.

Matter of fact I had a deposit on a new C7 ZO6 of which I was to assemble my build sheet today and I asked for a return on the deposit.

BMW knows the value of building the "Ultimate driving machine" and swear to keep this in all products moving into the future.

I for one feel they will.

There will be flops, but there will be many more success, this I am sure.

When was the last time you heard of another auto maker sitting there TOP design engineers down in front of customers, in a 3-1 ratio (3 engineers to one customer) and asking them to LISTEN.

I was completely impressed on how so they did, addressing each individual problem to a satisfactory thoroughness of every guest there.

I am a hard guy to please when it comes to vehicles. My wife a great deal more so. When you have to search for something to whine about, that's really saying something.

Here is a direct paste and copy of the email I just received (as I was writing this) from Oliver Ganser Manager, BMW Product Strategy and Market Intelligence

Dear valued participants of the BMW customer dialogue,

on behalf of our BMW Munich and BMW of North America Executive Team I wanted to reach out to you again and express our gratitude for the time and experience you shared with us yesterday. Your personal and direct feedback made a significant difference and will help our engineers to make better decisions during the development process of our products.

It was fantastic to hear/feel the passion you share for our brand.

Kind regards

Oliver Ganser

Again Kudos to BMW and long live the Ultimate Driving Machine!

bimmerbuff · 09-17-2014, 02:00 PM

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

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Windy City Private 15 Rep 79 Posts Drives: 2013 M3 IND/ESS modded vert Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Plainfield, IL iTrader: (0)	The event was very interesting and I was honored to be an invitee. My dealer (Laurel BMW) is THE better dealer in the Chicagoland area. Not only in sales but more importantly in knowledge. Pat Womack the GM there is very involved in the brand. Customer and dealer feedback is huge with BMW. I would say, after all points were fielded, the biggest challenge BMW faces is the government. The limitations placed on all the automakers are difficult to say the least. Of course the largest of these is fuel economy. With the new requisite of +54 MPG,(2025) a lot of challenges lie ahead. Think of it this way, for every car that doesn't hit that number, there must be one that does better. Some of you guys think you are enthusiast here (and I am sure are) and they don't care but that's not true. I genuinely feel BMW thinks of every owner as an enthusiast. Either current, or becoming. The one "new thing coming" that I was happy about was the M2. I am looking forward to one. Matter of fact I had a deposit on a new C7 ZO6 of which I was to assemble my build sheet today and I asked for a return on the deposit. BMW knows the value of building the "Ultimate driving machine" and swear to keep this in all products moving into the future. I for one feel they will. There will be flops, but there will be many more success, this I am sure. When was the last time you heard of another auto maker sitting there TOP design engineers down in front of customers, in a 3-1 ratio (3 engineers to one customer) and asking them to LISTEN. I was completely impressed on how so they did, addressing each individual problem to a satisfactory thoroughness of every guest there. I am a hard guy to please when it comes to vehicles. My wife a great deal more so. When you have to search for something to whine about, that's really saying something. Here is a direct paste and copy of the email I just received (as I was writing this) from Oliver Ganser Manager, BMW Product Strategy and Market Intelligence Dear valued participants of the BMW customer dialogue, on behalf of our BMW Munich and BMW of North America Executive Team I wanted to reach out to you again and express our gratitude for the time and experience you shared with us yesterday. Your personal and direct feedback made a significant difference and will help our engineers to make better decisions during the development process of our products. It was fantastic to hear/feel the passion you share for our brand. Kind regards Oliver Ganser Again Kudos to BMW and long live the Ultimate Driving Machine!
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bimmerbuff Slightly Less Obsessed 26 Rep 317 Posts Drives: Between BMWs Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
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