[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by F85MTuNED

Don’t forget…. “It looks like a Camry” bro for the past 8 years apparently EVERYTHING Bmw touches looks like a Camry and the same guys go and pay top dollar for an individual Camry..🙃


You can’t make this shit up I swear 🤣

Agree, I don't understand the Camry comparisons. They're both four door sedans, other than that they look absolutely nothing alike. It makes for good internet forum fodder I suppose.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Not first time when I see your comments towards someone that is in disagreement with you.

Is a public forum and everyone is entitled to have an opinion. Hence, you will find all kinds of opinions in here. In fact, the diversity of opinions is what make everything moving towards evolution. Not the other way around. Yes, I do not like the new BMW direction in terms of design. I am still a fan. Otherwise, I will be just an average Joe consumer, a badge guy. Or for me, BMW is more than that and exactly my dedication makes me voice my opinion. And after decades of only BMW, I believe that I am able to comment on that. Not least, you have no right to ask me whay I am here. Like you, I have the freedom of speech and you have no saying in my right to exercise it. Otherwise, if it will be your forum, and this kind of attitude will be in it, of course, I would not like to be a part of it.

Not least, it takes some respect, common sense, and a level of wisdom to be able to accept everyone’s opinion. You have a voice and I respect it; why you can not respect mine? I might disagree with you, but I will fight for you to have it.
Comments like yours are not welcome and futile.

Please stick with the subject, feel free to talk about the car, and prove that you can do more than just personal attacks. Is a matter of good manners and respect.

This, right here, contradicts EVERYTHING else you typed up. Freedom of speech doesn't apply only when it's convenient for you. I shouldn't have to explain that to you.

All this over a simple question. WOW.

[ano0oj]

Love it, finally they are going for an aggressive looking M5. Can't wait to place an order for this.

[2one3E90]

hold onto your rear wheel drive m5s. They are about to go up in value. I miss my $11,000 v10 sedan

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Amgeater2

NOPE and No.. had a M8 Conv and all this new ugly cars BMW is coming out with are a must move to other brands, I just move to MB and got the new SL63 and I am very happy...

BMW had nothing and it looks like its going to continue.. the current m3/m4 is ugly, so is the 7, 5, new M SUV and now the M5 so I stand on my comment.

Agree. Had 4 M cars in a row over 12 years. Don't see anything compelling so far. X M is brutally ugly.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by mirob

This, right here, contradicts EVERYTHING else you typed up. Freedom of speech doesn't apply only when it's convenient for you. I shouldn't have to explain that to you.

All this over a simple question. WOW.

Taking it out of the context is convenient for you, or…? Re-read the text maybe will help?

Where in my text, you will find even the slightest suggestion that he is not entitled to have an opinion? He has no right to ask why “I am here”to have an opinion, as I have no right to ask the same thing in return. In fact, the expressions “like you” clearly reiterates my acknowledge of his right to free speech. Also, should I presume that my text “ Like you, I have the freedom of speech and you have no saying in my right to exercise it.” Is not elocvent enough? Or is not visible enough to contribute to the overall message?

Furthermore, the last paragraph seals the nuance of the text. “Respect” and “common sense” correlated with the rest of the text -again read it all- highlights the idea to argue against the idea/ opinion, not against the person. There is a whole -very clear- nuance within the text. If you can see it, fine, if not, not much I can do further.

Also, I am tired of these arrogant “simple questions” from individuals that believe that everything that is not in line with their opinion is not welcome. Is not a simple question; a whole principle is behind it. Freedom of speech is not freedom of being disrespectful. Just stick with the subject and accept that others may not agree with you. It can be done in a proper manner. Very simple.

[mirob]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Taking it out of the context is convenient for you, or…? Re-read the text maybe will help?

Where in my text, you will find even the slightest suggestion that he is not entitled to have an opinion? He has no right to ask why “I am here”to have an opinion, as I have no right to ask the same thing in return. In fact, the expressions “like you” clearly reiterates my acknowledge of his right to free speech. Also, should I presume that my text “ Like you, I have the freedom of speech and you have no saying in my right to exercise it.” Is not elocvent enough? Or is not visible enough to contribute to the overall message?

Furthermore, the last paragraph seals the nuance of the text. “Respect” and “common sense” correlated with the rest of the text -again read it all- highlights the idea to argue against the idea/ opinion, not against the person. There is a whole -very clear- nuance within the text. If you can see it, fine, if not, not much I can do further.

Also, I am tired of these arrogant “simple questions” from individuals that believe that everything that is not in line with their opinion is not welcome. Is not a simple question; a whole principle is behind it. Freedom of speech is not freedom of being disrespectful. Just stick with the subject and accept that others may not agree with you. It can be done in a proper manner. Very simple.

I know exactly what he meant when he asked that.

You had a choice to make and you chose to get offended.

If the shoe fits...

[xmanpro]

Can’t wait to see these beauties in person. Car is gonna be lit.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

I really don’t love it.

BUT, real talk though, obviously still going to get it. I’ll skip the middle stages everyone has mentioned here that progress from the leaked shot like clockwork — “it’s growing on me;” “it looks better in person;” “anyone know of an allocations,” etc.

(But my F90 isn’t going anywhere).

[Custom Install]

I love it. Hopefully this generation will be more aggressive in the styling department, by that I don’t mean M badges and whiskers.
I always felt the M5 never kicked the door open and shouted look at me, maybe this time we’ll get something with real presence.

[Logical]

Been part of this forum for decades. Its always the same. They complain and then they find a way to afford the new shiney one.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

I love it. Hopefully this generation will be more aggressive in the styling department, by that I don’t mean M badges and whiskers.
I always felt the M5 never kicked the door open and shouted look at me, maybe this time we’ll get something with real presence.

The M5 has always been a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing, I don't expect that to change.

[MJBO]

Bumper treatment reminds me of a 2010s HSV GTS.

[Custom Install]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

The M5 has always been a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing, I don't expect that to change.

For me that’s the issue, however I do appreciate the ‘sleeper’ styling suits some.
The model below (M550i) perfectly fits that type of customer.

[Jeffe]

This BMW x Toyota partnership is really starting to dovetail into M5s looking like aggressive camarys, not camarys looking like M5s

[V-Eight]

Originally Posted by ResIpsaLoquitur

I really don’t love it.

BUT, real talk though, obviously still going to get it. I’ll skip the middle stages everyone has mentioned here that progress from the leaked shot like clockwork — “it’s growing on me;” “it looks better in person;” “anyone know of an allocations,” etc.

(But my F90 isn’t going anywhere).

My brother has an M5c F90 LCI, as I'll buy the G90 (probably) to sit alongside my G80CX I'm curious to experience the differnces between the two behind the wheel.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

The M5 has always been a bit of a wolf in sheep's clothing, I don't expect that to change.

Up through the E39 M5 I would agree. Since then less so. With the acquisition of Alpina I wonder if they will make the M cars visually more aggressive to differentiate from whatever they decide to offer as a B5.

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

Up through the E39 M5 I would agree. Since then less so. With the acquisition of Alpina I wonder if they will make the M cars visually more aggressive to differentiate from whatever they decide to offer as a B5.

I'm not sure what BMW plans on doing with Alpina, my guess is that they'll move it up market even further as some sort of trim level for the 7er and up, almost like what Maybach is to MB. Thankfully Alpina will still exist.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by rjd_F30

But people have always said that "the old car" was better. When E9x came out, it was overweight and fat looking... E46 was better.

I did not say that. I had an E46 330ci. When the E92 M3 came out, I was super excited. Test drove it, fell in love.

When the F8X came out, mostly loved the look. I didn’t like the slope of the hood from a side view and how the front end of the wheel arch looked on the sedan…minor things I could get over. I even liked the non-M version.

When the G20 came out…it kinda looked like a mess upon close inspection but I could live with it. The 4 series looks terrible because of the grill.

But recent M cars look like a cheesy JDM body kit and other bits are glued to it. If it was all functional…then I guess OK. But I think BMW M has also given up on trying to keep these cars at a class leading low weight. Most of all, they feel like a big bodied drag racing car. The feel of the car is…there is no tactile sensation. The objective performance is sensation…no arguments from me on that. But it’s not better in a way that makes me have to have it.

IMO, the E39, E46, E60, and E9X M cars…those you get in and love it immediately. Those are extremely difficult to improve on. There’s a reason why a lot of people go back to the older gen cars despite the rod bearings, shit gas mileage, painfully frequent maintenance needs and rear tires that routinely wear out in 5k miles.

[ResIpsaLoquitur]

Originally Posted by V-Eight

My brother has an M5c F90 LCI, as I'll buy the G90 (probably) to sit alongside my G80CX I'm curious to experience the differnces between the two behind the wheel.

Me too. The LCI is truly the end of an era and I won’t be able to give it up, regardless of how good the G90 may be.

[NickyC]

Whole lot of ugly in that photo, but I'm sure it will look better than the G80/G82 which is an extremely low bar.

[jackaleyess]

Design piece came out of a post graduated design students? My goodness what have BMW been designing all these while? The best rear M5 design was F10 generation, G30 generation was still acceptable. But this? Its more like a China branded car that wanna be boombastic to get attention.