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Personally I would take the M60 and have the power to effortlessly out accelerate 90% of the cars out there while still getting 90 MPGe.
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Yes, but no electric steering provides good feedback. Running tire pressure a bit lower will help; they are too high anyways (particularly for the US market). |
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It’s on you if you buy the last year G30 and didn’t know about the G60. It’s not hard to google when a model is ending. Just my opinion, but that just seems like minimal research to make a $70k+ purchase. There are also those that accelerated their purchase to get a G30 in 2023 before it ended production. I think everyone that likes the G60 should buy one. More power to you. I think those complaining about size would agree with you about all cars becoming so large. If they made the 3 series with a little nicer interior detail and options, I think there are G30 buyers that would’ve preferred the 3 series for the smaller size. But they also make you choose between luxury and size, so it’s not a simple decision based on one factor. Again, I don’t think anyone that loves the G60 is wrong. It’s a subjective opinion. I also think the complaints of those of us that are disappointed with the G60 are just as valid. It just depends on what you’re looking for.
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I bet if you had a way to know the age bracket of the people in this G60 forum It would probably be people between their late 40's to mid to late 60's. A few are outside that group, but the vast majority fall in there just based on the language they use and the opinions they have developed "over the years and many cars they have owned" factor. Then go look at the G20 and G22 forums and you can tell the difference in the apparent age of the people posting. Most are probably in their 30's-mid 40's. Again, there are exceptions, but for the most part it holds true. And if you look at the G42 you will find the ones in their 20's and early 30's with their first BMW. A lot of them are young professionals who are buying/being gifted their first BMW. I bought my first BMW (325i) at 26. I would not even consider a 330i now. Maybe an M340i as a toy. More likely an M440iX Coupe. But not for my main daily driver. |
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BMW and the 5 series have historically filled the need for someone that wants both sport and comfort, with daily use practicality. With the G60, they’ve clearly sacrificed some sport and emphasized some modern luxury, while also going with a minimalistic interior approach. It shouldn’t be surprising or offensive that some previous 5 series owners aren’t into the new direction of the G60. Your post is all about segmenting and I don’t have an argument with any of it. I never said anything about a 3 series owner not wanting a 5 series. I have just listed some reasons that previous 5 series owners aren’t as excited by what we’ve seen in the G60, so far. And also stated that for those that love it, I’m happy for them and think they should buy them up like hot cakes. I’m not trying to be controversial here.
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Definitely true about ages. My dream car when I was young was a 325i. Now, I am 67 and preordered the i5 M60 last year just from pictures. I loved the look with the wider grille and the sharp creases. My friend saw mine, went to the dealer and came home with an i7 instead. That’s how BMW works. Appeal to the young, upwardly mobile adults and bring them into the fold.
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For anything with an I6 or smaller up front, the differences in the drive are minimal. I tested an M340 Touring (which was actually heaver than my 5er!) before picking up the G31 and although the shorter wheelbase made it a bit more agile, the car was still a fair bit removed from a real sports car (in terms of size/weight), and the M-Sport suspensions are pretty road biased in both the 3 and 5. It hardly matters anymore. |
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Lovely generalizations here and wild judgements. If you think about the fraction of people who bought or leased a g30 of MY23, and had no clue a new model was round the corner are clearly not into cars or BMWs, get their cars paid for by a business or corporation or they made a conscious choice. It’s a non zero number of people who had no clue but they are most likely not that many. Bmw usa will always try to sell you the outgoing model too with incentives, and they don’t advertise hey a new design is coming: there is a market for everything. If you want an example: I was ready to pull the trigger as well very well knowing what’s coming up ( I have MY20 G30 that was built to order). The MY23 was offered to me at a 9% discount before incentives for another custom order, knowing it was the last of the lot. I almost ordered it but my existing car had fairly low Covid miles, so I bought it instead given the high MF and terrible residuals. If I was leasing, I would not have been bummed either way. You can get rid of the car in 3 years or when lci is around the corner in 4 years. I would have loved to keep a brand new G30 for much longer, but hindsight is 20/20. Currently, I can easily go for another 540 lease now but I don’t like the G60, it’s lost the 5er DNA, I have driven one. And I had an F10 before this. If you gave me an option of slightly modern tech on a G30 chassis with MY25 to custom order I will not blink an eye and get it instead of the bulbous boat like G60 So you may continue to bash people who are very small in number, who are not really trying to justify their MY22 and MY23 G30 purchase or lease, but actually like the car better. There may be a very few on the other FOMO camp, but you are very wrong in your assessment. I would love to say the G60 to be owners justifying their own choices and ignoring the many shortcomings and drama of an incohesive design that BmW created. The new design language and the choices BmW is making are generating some lovely memes like never before and creating more entertainment and mocking that’s exceeded what the Bangle era cars got in comparison. Go check out the BMW head designer’s Instagram account and see the comments people are making, he has been widely called to quit because all he does is generate some lovely sketches but screwed up real cars. If you need his Instagram link, here is a post Another one
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If I had to leave the brand, I’d probably look at Audi because I like the S/RS 5 sportback. But I might end up sticking with the BMW brand in that case and get a M440 GC. S5 has a better interior, though. Feels nicer. And of course someone could always get a 3 series. But I think it’s hard to go from 5 to 3. I tried to talk myself into that and couldn’t do it. Also, I think BMW design right now is just trying to be as outside the box as possible. Kinda extreme. Usually that pendulum swings back. I saw a new 7 series today. It’s an aggressive looking car. Made me wonder why they went so bland with the G60, in comparison.
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From what I saw, the next gen A5/S5 looked pretty good. Nothing extreme, as far as design change. It’s a shame they don’t offer a brown or tan interior. But Audi’s red interior is better than BMW’s, to me. More subtle, maybe a darker shade.
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There is little German DNA left in the 5er except the B58 combined with ZF transmission.
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The RS6 was awesome, by the way.
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I honestly see way more online mocking of the M3, M4, and i7 because of the giant beaver teeth grilles. I find them hideous but love the front of the G60.
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The market for an M5 is looking for a sleeper/Q car more so than the M2 through 4 market. The styling is more muted on the M5 accordingly. I bet they sell a lot of the M5 Touring in the United States because 1) I think the G60 wagon is the best looking wagon on the market right now 2) it is the ultimate sleeper because the body style doesn't suggest what is under the hood.
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The legendary E39 M5 was pretty soft, and the 540 of that period was a veritable pudding. The G30 has a much stiffer shell, and the suspension is quite sophisticated. The non-M-Sport models are softer, and all the setups are very road-biased, but the 5 has always been that way. The real difference lies in the steering and the noise cancellation in modern cars, and non-M BMWs could always use a set of better dampers. |
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What am I missing here? 60 MPH is 4.0 seconds and 5-60 is 5 seconds?
I have a '24 540 and while it is not slouchy I wouldn't call it quick either. I'd be surprised if 0-60 is 4.0 seconds. |
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