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We're in our mid-70s and for the same reasons as you are considering a non-SUV that's easier to climb into and out of. I'll keep the 2 for fun and the new car will take over road trip duty. We've downsized to a condo, and exterior dimensions will be the deciding factor. Looking forward to reading your report once you've got the new 5er in hand.
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Designer really needs to get fired
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From a performance stand point it is very good for a luxury biased sedan. BMW has gotten away from the sport sedan. The G60 is almost the same size as the 7 series, and just felt a lot bigger than my 2018 540. Maybe its the increased height etc. I drove it several times, both 530 and i5. Just didn't love the look, and it didn't feel as toss- able/sporty as my M sport. Went a little different and bought a M3.
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While the article did mention a worthy competitor - MB E450 (a tacit desire not to upset another major advertiser?), MB E450 visual appearance just isn't for me. |
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09-04-2024, 07:00 PM | #49 | |
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I mean, it’s not the clear winner in my book. |
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09-04-2024, 07:28 PM | #50 |
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Let’s be honest, it’s not an attractively styled car. At least it can put power to the ground and put good perf. numbers on the board.
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09-04-2024, 07:35 PM | #51 |
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They’d have to fire the whole team which they can’t afford to. It runs top to bottom.
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09-04-2024, 09:31 PM | #53 |
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Take what you want from C&D with a grain of salt but unfortunately the numb steering is the common denominator in all the reviews domestic or foreign. If only Cadillac chassis tuning could mate with BMW powertrains.
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09-04-2024, 09:49 PM | #54 | |
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The 3 and 8 series are still good looking cars. And the 8 doesn’t have the iPad glued to the dash. I think the biggest fault of the G60 design is it sits too high. That, alone, removes too much sportiness for me. The shape isn’t bad, in general. The interior could be nicer. Basically, I think they started with some good general direction and just flubbed the execution. The F10 and G30 were low and sleek looking. The G60 is high and bulky. It’s not that the G60 is a bad car. It’s just kind of boring. I don’t see it as a natural evolution step from the G30. I think they’ll sell the 530 and 540 fine, most likely. But it’s not hard to see why F10 and G30 owners are having a difficult time envisioning the transition into a G60.
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09-04-2024, 10:51 PM | #55 |
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IMO...in terms of exterior design, G60 to G30 is what E60 was to E39. It's a departure from the old safe design. This one is bulky, angular, longer, taller, etc and that's exactly what I like about this car. G60 has that road presence which my prior two G30s did not have.
The G30 was a handsomely, boring to death design. Especially the hood which lacked any character. It was borderline a plain sheet of aluminum, unlike the nicely sculpted F10 hood. Obviously design is something very subjective so I am not here to argue over that, it's just how I view G60 vs G30. G60 will likely not age as gracefully as E39, but I bet a few generations from now people will sing the same old song...G60 was the last true bla bla bla... |
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8 Series is imho the best car BMW currently makes but they really gave it the short end of the stick with the lack of updates to iDrive and especially the B58, it's basically unchanged since the pre-LCI G30 540i days. Doesn't even have the mild hybrid system that's in almost every internal combustion BMW sold. They're letting it just rot. New E53 looks fantastic but I don't care for the particular PHEV powertrain setup being used. G80 Magma also looks great and I would give it serious consideration if Genesis does release it as an EREV (like the Ramcharger) as they claim, but I have doubts as to when or if it'll even go into production. |
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Design is definitely subjective. That’s why I think it will sell fine but I think those (me) that really love the G30/F90 design will have a hard time. I don’t think I’ll own a G60 just because I like cars that feel/are lower to the ground. But I can see why it doesn’t bother others. I don’t think the G60 will be the last great anything. I think it’s designed more to be the first of something, with its more minimalistic interior design and full range of powertrains.
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But it’s a gorgeous car and a blast to drive, even the 840. Feels very controlled and sharp, even though it’s huge. The width is what I think makes it handle so well for such a big car.
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I still don't get why we can't get the 4 zone climate in the US without a special order and having to jump through a bunch of hoops to get this Non-Standard option, or the adaptive M suspension with RWS on a 540iX. Other markets have these, and other options. But then, again, they can't get the 540ix anywhere but the US either.
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Looks like it might be wiser and cheaper to skip the MSport trim if you prefer a softer suspension based on the spec they reviewed. Also 20” wheels would add some extra sidewall.
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My Mercedes is a little over 14 ft long, the Range Rover a little over 16'. With the 5er being just over 17' long I was/am still worried about fitting. Yes, the 5er will replace the Mercedes. But I have found myself more than once measuring the garage behind the Rover to the gate, to make sure I will have enough room. It looks like there will be (Barely) But I have to make sure the wife pulls all the way forward as far as she can go. The garage (More like a carport with a high electric gate) is open in the front to the side of the house, but there are 3 steps down to a sort of courtyard, then 3 steps up at the other end. There is a piece of wood bolted to the floor to make sure you don't accidentally drive down the steps. So there is also no more room. I may have to fabricate some ramps so she can pull the Rover a few feet further forward. |
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You know, people keep complaining about the size. But what car has not gotten bigger over the years. Even the Honda Accord is a giant compared to the one my Mom had in 1976. Don't even get me started on others. I had a 1993 325i. If you were to sit it next to a modern 330i it would be the same thing. The 7 series has grown as well. And the X5 is quite a bit larger than the original. People just don't notice it because they are looking at one generation to the next, and not looking at multiple generations.
I am sure there are some G30 owners out there, (Maybe not on this Forum) That complained that they wish their car was just a little bit larger with better rear legroom. But you won't see them here complaining because they are probably chomping at the bit to get a new G60. Same with looks. I bet there are several people who bought or leased their G30 in early 2023, and did not know the G60 was coming out and are now pissed they didn't wait. So now they have last gen model that is only a year old, and has now depreciated even more because of it. I know I was looking at a 2022 G30 540i, but decided to wait until I was closer to the end of my tour. Now that I have, I am grateful I did. There is no worse feeling than buying a brand new car that suddenly becomes outdated over night. Those are at least some of the haters that are now saying how much they LOVE their 2023 G30 and HATE the new G60. Mainly because they can't justify trading in the car they are paying well over $1000.00 a month for without taking a serious loss on the depreciation. It's one thing to have a 7 or 8 year old car that has had a new gen come out. But a new 2023? They won't be able to get a new one until the Next gen comes out in 6-8 years. Unless they are Lessees. That's where the personal lease is the advantage. Lack of manual controls for the AC and radio you say? How many people out there are fed up because their manual knobs have the non-slip rubber coating that made them feel so high end and luxurious when new, but deteriorates over time and just becomes sticky? I know the knobs in both my Range Rover and Mercedes are doing just that. And I keep my cars meticulously clean, and have no sticky fingered small kids at home to blame it on. Lord give me touch controls so I don't have to deal with that anymore. |
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Typical C&D bias against BMW. I have driven both and the MB E Series is not more lithe than the 5.
How the tides have changed where Consumer Report has a crush on our fav brand. UGH!
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What does lithe mean? Thin, supple, graceful? Interesting adjective that I wouldn’t put in the same sentence as any BMW on sale today other than their motorcycles and minis. |
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