[NGT2]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Exactly. And it’s fine it may not work for 3-10% of the population. If 90% go electric, the world will be in a better place.

3-10%?? Not even close. And why will the world be in such a better place?

We’re gonna need to see mass production of much better battery and charging tech before those statements come true.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by NGT2

3-10%?? Not even close. And why will the world be in such a better place?

We’re gonna need to see mass production of much better battery and charging tech before those statements come true.

With just 20 electric vehicles out of 1,000 asthma related ER visits were down. Cleaner air is better for everyone who breathes. A study released this month showed that 3 million asthma attacks could be avoided as well as hundreds of infant deaths for those living in areas with high levels of exhaust pollution. This process actually starts in the womb. Everyone knows not to smoke while pregnant, but breathing in exhaust fumes is just as bad.

That’s a better world for humans. Car exhaust is not just carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons, but nitrogen dioxide, benzene and formaldehyde.

And yes, 3% is probably a high estimate for people who drive 1,000 miles without stopping. I don’t know of any vehicles with that large of a gas tank.

[Nighthawks]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

With just 20 electric vehicles out of 1,000 asthma related ER visits were down. Cleaner air is better for everyone who breathes. A study released this month showed that 3 million asthma attacks could be avoided as well as hundreds of infant deaths for those living in areas with high levels of exhaust pollution. This process actually starts in the womb. Everyone knows not to smoke while pregnant, but breathing in exhaust fumes is just as bad.

That’s a better world for humans. Car exhaust is not just carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons, but nitrogen dioxide, benzene and formaldehyde.

And yes, 3% is probably a high estimate for people who drive 1,000 miles without stopping. I don’t know of any vehicles with that large of a gas tank.

Hear, Hear, Scrapula!

As electric cars improve, the charging technology, charging infrastructure, and acceptance will all come.

Cheers to BMW for making fantastic machines!

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

With just 20 electric vehicles out of 1,000 asthma related ER visits were down. Cleaner air is better for everyone who breathes. A study released this month showed that 3 million asthma attacks could be avoided as well as hundreds of infant deaths for those living in areas with high levels of exhaust pollution. This process actually starts in the womb. Everyone knows not to smoke while pregnant, but breathing in exhaust fumes is just as bad.

That’s a better world for humans. Car exhaust is not just carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons, but nitrogen dioxide, benzene and formaldehyde.

And yes, 3% is probably a high estimate for people who drive 1,000 miles without stopping. I don’t know of any vehicles with that large of a gas tank.

So well said!

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Make the new M5 at least 1,000 lbs lighter & please give us a version without that ****ing EV hybrid crap. We don't need it nor do we want it. Save that heavy uneccessary BS for the monstrosity you already built, the XM. Thank you!

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Make the new M5 at least 1,000 lbs lighter & please give us a version without that ****ing EV hybrid crap. We don't need it nor do we want it. Save that heavy uneccessary BS for the monstrosity you already built, the XM. Thank you!

Agree. A 1000 lb lighter, full EV M5 with ‘Shit Your Pants’ Mode standard.

[cfm56d7b]

If M4 is getting a quad motor drivetrain, so will M5. It’s only a matter of time. i5 represents the right step forward.

[xmanpro]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

I’m sick of geriatric apologists and people who can’t hold their bladders going on about this. First, EV range is extremely sensitive to driving style. Second, for those of us who actually road trip, we want to be able to drive 4+ hours at 70-80mph without having to stop. Not everyone has the same needs or the same small bladders.

My wife and I can EASILY and safely do 1,000 miles in a day, and an anemic 250-300-mile range, shortened drastically by wind, hills, and higher speed, simply doesn’t cut it.

Electric BMW is not for you. Please do not get one.

[xmanpro]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Make the new M5 at least 1,000 lbs lighter & please give us a version without that ****ing EV hybrid crap. We don't need it nor do we want it. Save that heavy uneccessary BS for the monstrosity you already built, the XM. Thank you!

No

Go to another manufacturer. This is BMWs future; if you don’t like it please don’t spend your money here. You are no longer the target market.

[RoGo330i]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

I’m sick of geriatric apologists and people who can’t hold their bladders going on about this. First, EV range is extremely sensitive to driving style. Second, for those of us who actually road trip, we want to be able to drive 4+ hours at 70-80mph without having to stop. Not everyone has the same needs or the same small bladders.

My wife and I can EASILY and safely do 1,000 miles in a day, and an anemic 250-300-mile range, shortened drastically by wind, hills, and higher speed, simply doesn’t cut it.

What’s with the totally unnecessary ageism “geriatic apologists” & “small bladder” commentary here. This forum is overwhelmingly supportive of those who post, love our cars, and want to share in helpful BMW dialogue. I believe in teachable moments, so here is my female geriatic response: I’m about to turn 62 years old. I am still a college professor, still play co-ed basketball, still climb stairs to my season tix for the Golden State Warriors, just today babysat my new grandniece all day long, and can hold my bladder way beyond 4 hours. If you don’t want the EV 5, as others have responded to your post, then just don’t get one. In the meantime, I hope that you can see the beauty in those on here who have enjoyed some life longevity as we continue to be performance car enthusiasts and share in a mostly helpful, fun on-line community.

[scas12]

Originally Posted by ghaffari46

Make i5 with range more than 300 miles (like ix). You gonna have way more customers.

While it's not advertised, the range in my m60 is well above the 250 or so advertised. Closer to 280-300.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by scas12

While it's not advertised, the range in my m60 is well above the 250 or so advertised. Closer to 280-300.

Mine is rated at 248 with the 20” wheels. In order for me to get that low of a range, I would need to drive at 80mph in freezing temps. Right now, freeway drives at 40-50 degrees, I get a low of 3.2 miles/kWh which equates to 256. That will improve drastically once the weather warms up.

[Richbot]

BMW seems to rate their EV range like they rated the S55/58/63/8's horsepower.

Yep, it makes that much power. In Telluride, in 100 degree weather, on 85 octane

This is a good thing. More manufacturers need to under promise and over deliver. My model X was rated at 371 new. It's now showing 347 after 47,000 miles, and it can do that, at 45 mph, in 70 degree temperatures, on a calm day. At real highway speeds, you're looking at 200-250miles depending on weather

I got to sit in an i5 that was on the showroom floor the other day and it's amazing a) how much it is no bigger than the F10/W212 I shopped for Wifebot 6 years ago inside, despite being significantly larger and heavier overall and b) how well-made new BMW interiors look and feel even with the dashboard panoramic TV screen. I like them a lot more than contemporary Merc and Audi interiors now, which is not something I felt about G01 or F10. I also was amazed they had it set to sit at 100% all the time.

Please send us the wagon (with a NACS port)

[Zulu Saffa]

Originally Posted by My M3

The new 5 Series is a good looking car

Are you taking the piss? Looks like a block of plastic.

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by xmanpro

No

Go to another manufacturer. This is BMWs future; if you don’t like it please don’t spend your money here. You are no longer the target market.

Right, so much for “Ultimate Driving Machine,” and f- that guy for lamenting its passing, I guess?

And dude for the old people whining about the complaint about bladders, … it’s great that you can’t go 2 hours without having to stop. But my complaint is that whenever someone complains about range, inevitably some of you come out of the woodwork to excuse the deplorable inpracticability by claiming 4-6 hours of drive time isn’t necessary because you have to stop every 10 minutes to empty your bladders. That’s great for you. You’re old. The rest of us would like to be able to drive 4-5 hours at a time without stopping, and without having to hypermile and draft behind semi trucks. The fact that some people can’t drive for that long at a stretch doesn’t mean that the use case for the longer range product is pointless.

The other issue here is that range is a close proxy for efficiency. EVs are hypersensitive to changes in temperature, speed, wind resistance, and elevation. So your 300-mile range quickly becomes 225 miles in the real world. And we don’t want to have to stop for 20 minutes at a time.

[ddavtian]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

Right, so much for “Ultimate Driving Machine,” and f- that guy for lamenting its passing, I guess?

And dude for the old people whining about the complaint about bladders, … it’s great that you can’t go 2 hours without having to stop. But my complaint is that whenever someone complains about range, inevitably some of you come out of the woodwork to excuse the deplorable inpracticability by claiming 4-6 hours of drive time isn’t necessary because you have to stop every 10 minutes to empty your bladders. That’s great for you. You’re old. The rest of us would like to be able to drive 4-5 hours at a time without stopping, and without having to hypermile and draft behind semi trucks. The fact that some people can’t drive for that long at a stretch doesn’t mean that the use case for the longer range product is pointless.

The other issue here is that range is a close proxy for efficiency. EVs are hypersensitive to changes in temperature, speed, wind resistance, and elevation. So your 300-mile range quickly becomes 225 miles in the real world. And we don’t want to have to stop for 20 minutes at a time.

You're not old, great. And don't want to stop every few hours. Great. Don't get an EV, it's not ready for you.

"old people whining about bladders" - I didn't see whining in this thread. You just like to complain about old people )

[Richbot]

Like anything it depends what you want. If you ever think you'll be annoyed at having to stop an extra 3x during a trip, for 20 minutes, instead of just bombing through, don't buy an EV unless you have other cars/options. If you can't put a level2 charger (~6-10kw), in your parking spot, don't buy an EV.

The upsides of EV's are well known and numerous, road-tripping and charging without a home charging option are about the only downsides I've noticed so far in 3.5 years and 47000 miles of EV people pod ownership.

And I should note, the reason I bought a Model X was because in December of 2020, it was a cheaper, better-handling, faster-accelerating option than comparable "spicy trim" 7-seaters. Those advantages were enabled by electric drive. Also enabled by shitty build quality and half-assed development decisions, but that's a Tesla "everyone's a beta tester" problem not an EV problem

Having a gas station in your garage kicks ass
The throttle turning into a completely under-the-radar disappear button kicks ass
Frunks kick ass (womp womp, but maybe Neue Klasse will fix this)
$10 a week in fuel kicks ass

But I do wish it were a wagon instead of a goofy lozenge. And I'm cheating, I have an E90M to drive whenever I want to go analog. And, as an aside, EV throttle response beats S65 throttle response, it's like it's wired into your brain, it's amazing. If you like naturally aspirated V8's, the part of your brain that says GO NOW will love electric drive.

SEND US THE WAGONS

[racerx2005]

It really isn’t. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Bob in IL]

Originally Posted by ddavtian

You're not old, great. And don't want to stop every few hours. Great. Don't get an EV, it's not ready for you.

"old people whining about bladders" - I didn't see whining in this thread. You just like to complain about old people )

With any luck the poster will be "old" someday and will understand.

[Richbot]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Agree. A 1000 lb lighter, full EV M5 with ‘Shit Your Pants’ Mode standard.

Indeed. If Tesla can make a car that weighs just couple passengers more than an F90 M5, runs 9.5's or better in the 1/4, is track-capable (as long as you're ok with not full-sending for more than about 15 minutes at a time, which most stock cars' brakes can't support anyway and the Model S's definitely can't), tail-happy as you could ever want, and costs less than $100k, I'm sure BMW could and eventually will sell it to us for $175k heh ($1k per month subscription for competition package that unlocks an additional 100hp the car is already capable of, of course!).

Too bad about Model S not getting a proper track pack (bushings, alignment, non-air-suspension, etc.) yet. The wheel/tire and brake package is sortof an afterthought compared to proper track/upgrade packs and uses most of the same parts as the base model in the suspension. BMW would do such a better job at chassis tuning. And the turn signals would be in the correct place and a dealer network that actually knows its customers

[Cruise'n]

EV don't care
How do you block all EV stuff.
I'll here because I like driving cars.
Not because I like being driven by a battery powered computer.

Formula E compared to F1
No spectators compared to full stands.
Even with not great sounding V8 V10 V12 engines

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Cruise'n

EV don't care
How do you block all EV stuff.
I'll here because I like driving cars.
Not because I like being driven by a battery powered computer.

Formula E compared to F1
No spectators compared to full stands.
Even with not great sounding V8 V10 V12 engines

So you like driving a petrol powered computer.