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      05-24-2023, 01:28 PM   #155
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Is it just me or besides the Taycan/E-tron and Model S, EVs just look dorky?

They all have this lame computer mouse on wheels look. Chunky, no vents/tail pipes, and just awkward overall.

The i4, i7, and now this all look halfway to being SUVs.
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If anyone shopping for an ICE mid-size luxury sedan, I think the next E-Class looks way more elegant and classy.
Yes, MB cleaned up their "egg on wheels" look very nicely with the new E. I'm definitely leaning toward the new E over the G60 in spite of 12 years of pleasant 5 series ownership.
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      05-24-2023, 01:54 PM   #159
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Too tall, looks like an X car. Also those vertical lights...

I hate all the unnecessary vents and cutouts on the lower end of the front grill. It's really hideous. And those headlights/running lights??? UGHHHHHH.

Probably will be going with a MB E this time around.
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      05-24-2023, 01:58 PM   #160
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Yes, MB cleaned up their "egg on wheels" look very nicely with the new E. I'm definitely leaning toward the new E over the G60 in spite of 12 years of pleasant 5 series ownership.
2024 E class is a good looking vehicle inside and out.

Funny how G60 hp numbers just happen to be exactly that of the new E class 4/6 cylinder(255/375hp).
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      05-24-2023, 02:14 PM   #161
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If I see this in my rearview, I would for sure guess that this is a FWD car:

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      05-24-2023, 02:20 PM   #162
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its only 36mm taller than the g30.
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      05-24-2023, 02:31 PM   #163
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      05-24-2023, 02:46 PM   #164
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      05-24-2023, 02:47 PM   #165
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Speaking for myself, I would disagree. Yes, bulk of my commute is within city limits and I am lucky enough to be able to charge at home 90% of the time. However, I do travel up and down the East coast frequently and I’m usually looking to drive close to 300-350 miles for any given trip. Would I prefer to just leave home fully charged and not waste time charging/ contending for EV chargers? YES. Could I make the trip with one or two charging stops? SURE. Faced with this choice, I’ve used an IC vehicle for every single road trip since owning my EV. It’s the single reason I won’t switch to 100% EV use. If I had a vehicle to reliably give me near 350-400 miles of highway use, I would be seriously tempted to make the switch. RN, the Lucid is my only option— and it’s way too expensive, and is facing startup EV manufacturer type issues.

I’d love to hear from the community more on this.
Exactly why I gave the Lightning to my dad, It's amazing and faster than my old 540i 0-60 and can do all truck things. But driving from Austin to Dallas going at regular TX highway speeds 75-85 cruise control, the range takes a MASSIVE hit. I am so impatient, so I hate waiting even if its just 25-30 minutes to get more charge.

For me, the minimum is 250 miles at 80mph. I will wait for the CLAR platform and batteries to get better before moving to full EV. I would highly recommend most people just do a plug in hybrid as it solves both issues. Most people don't drive more than 50 miles in a day and can charge at home.
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      05-24-2023, 02:52 PM   #166
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The interior is the highlight of this vehicle. Exterior styling is bland and unimaginative for 2023 premium performance vehicle. The front grille on the 60 is a horror show, confused mess of sensors and radar, the side profile follows a trend from BMW of minimalism; look at the G87. Cars look product design not styled. The side and continues the sleep-fest. The only element well executed is the notched hood, the rest is straight out of the Toyota school of design. BMW vehicles are much less distinctive outside than years prior, and those that are, are in a bad way. The constant evolution of the front grilles, the need to simplify or remove styling elements ( my theory is for profit ) to the point cars look ordinary may be diluting the brand and confusing current and potential BMW customers. Just look at the vast differences between each series. Little to no resemblance between the styling language of an XM, an M2 or the I5, other than a need to take away, inside and out. It feels like BMW cars of late lack soul, I don’t mean in the way they drive, but in the way the make you feel on approach or departure. Bring back sexy, muscular, innovative yet understated cars. Just another bland copy-cat car using a whatever sticks design approach.
Well described. Exactly my thoughts. It looks as if it has been designed by a computer or robot rather than human being. Hood looks like afterthought compared to the rest of the car that is pretty “flat” and uninspiring. It could be that they are trying to make new cars compliant with new emissions standard so they make them as drag coefficient as possible, and that’s the outcome of that. I honestly think that in comparison to BMW’s latest creations it is not as bad as I thought it would be however it is far from good looking vehicle in my book with bunch of unnecessary gizmos inside. The only thing appealing on that interior is steering wheel. The rest is a no no. I am not a big Mercedes person although I own one however IMO design aside MB is making expensively looking interiors at least. BMW is lacking in that department except maybe for new 7 series model, but I would have to be blind to purchase one and that would make it hard to drive one…
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      05-24-2023, 02:58 PM   #167
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Well some more bad news…couple of things I noticed:

1) Comfort seats no longer have that independently adjustable upper backrest
2) no more foldable headrests on the comfort seats
3) trim does not extend to the doors
4) rear seat cup holder are now just holes as opposed to mechanically folding ones
5) leather only available as part of individual spec
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      05-24-2023, 03:12 PM   #168
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Good lord.

The front is... okay, although between this and the X5 facelift I don't get why the designers are constantly expanding the gloss black bumper piece.

And the side profile.... is just not good. It's somehow overstyled and understyled at the same time and WHY ARE WE PAINTING MASSIVE SIDE SKIRTS IN GLOSS BLACK. It makes the car look like it's riding way higher than it is.

Lastly, the interior fit and finish looks nice but pull the logo and there's zero character at all, this could be any car...
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Well some more bad news…couple of things I noticed:

1) Comfort seats no longer have that independently adjustable upper backrest
2) no more foldable headrests on the comfort seats
3) trim does not extend to the doors
4) rear seat cup holder are now just holes as opposed to mechanically folding ones
5) leather only available as part of individual spec
Yeah. they gave way to changing lane with your eyes and no touching steering wheel up to 85mph. Progress.
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All that black/transparant blinking plastic will just look faded dull grey or yellow after a couple of years in the sun, i wonder if this will be an high flyer on the second hand market because of this
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      05-24-2023, 03:27 PM   #171
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My thoughts exactly. I truly hope a new M550i is released. The M550i is easily one of the best performance bargains in the segment.
No more bargains, could probably cost $95k to incentivize people from going electric instead (they need to recover some R&D cost).

M5 maybe $110k+
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I guess BMW is trying to kill two birds with one stone - EV and regular 5er in one

I hope this is just a stage till we get to full EV only, maybe in the next generation. If you get the i5, it's too tall and has weird hood space, etc. If you get the regular 5er, almost the same sacrifices again. An EV sedan should have the proportions of a Tesla Model S/Porsche Taycan...the end!

If anyone shopping for an ICE mid-size luxury sedan, I think the next E-Class looks way more elegant and classy. If you are looking for the EV version, I think this is (i5) is better than EQE.

Gotta grab a G30, the last of the true long-slung BMW chassis...
While the details (grill, gloss black plastic, DRLs) are hit or miss, the main things that bugs me about this design are the FWD-like proportions and the flat sides without a prominent shoulder line. With F10 and G30, the cabin had this set-back look with a long and flat hood. You can see it in the hood profile on the G30, where the hood is almost flat by the time it reaches the windshield. On the G60, the hood is fairly angled all the way up to the windshield cowling, giving that FWD look.

I get that some of it has to do with pedestrian crash safety - I thought the 8 series always suffered from this with an upright front compared to the Fxx 6 series which had a really wide and low profile. The wide fenders and side crease/shoulder line on the Fxx and early Gxx cars added to that muscular look, even on the non-Ms.

While some automakers like Volvo, Acura, Mazda, and even Honda are styling their FWD cars to look more like RWD cars, looks like BMW is doing the opposite here. While the G60 is wider and longer than than the F10/G30, it doesn't really look it...

The interior, on the other hand, is a clear step up. Love the new steering wheel
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The outgoing model (lci) is very well designed. Superiors on the outside. I think that the developers had to work really hard to create sth at the same level.

I like the new model, don't get me wrong, but the bar to surpass the G30 lci is too high.

Not exactly the same story for the inside though.
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for those commenting about the sides, is it because you are looking at the flat looking brooklyn grey?

doesnt look as flat in this red. looks pretty muscular to me.
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While the details (grill, gloss black plastic, DRLs) are hit or miss, the main things that bugs me about this design are the FWD-like proportions and the flat sides without a prominent shoulder line. With F10 and G30, the cabin had this set-back look with a long and flat hood. You can see it in the hood profile on the G30, where the hood is almost flat by the time it reaches the windshield. On the G60, the hood is fairly angled all the way up to the windshield cowling, giving that FWD look.

I get that some of it has to do with pedestrian crash safety - I thought the 8 series always suffered from this with an upright front compared to the Fxx 6 series which had a really wide and low profile. The wide fenders and side crease/shoulder line on the Fxx and early Gxx cars added to that muscular look, even on the non-Ms.

While some automakers like Volvo, Acura, Mazda, and even Honda are styling their FWD cars to look more like RWD cars, looks like BMW is doing the opposite here. While the G60 is wider and longer than than the F10/G30, it doesn't really look it...

The interior, on the other hand, is a clear step up. Love the new steering wheel
doubt the picture is in the right ratio. obviously the g60 would be longer if the ratio was correct. its 97mm longer than the g30.
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      05-24-2023, 04:20 PM   #176
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One of the most confusing designs I’ve seen from bmw, at the front it’s something between an X1 and a 2 series sedan and at the back it just looks like a generic sedan from Euro Truck simulator 💀

BMW slowly killing the whole range.
I agree with you, mostly.

The interior is great, just like the new 7/i7 series which has no equal on the market.

But the exterior. Like you, the first thing that caught my eyes was that the front looks very much like 2-Series with the M-Sport package. Very boxy, and the headlights are almost a copy.

The side profile is OK.

The rear looks generic, I agree with you here too. And I'm getting a "Mercedes Benz" feel look from the rear!

I think the car could have looked better with a more sleek, angular, design than the boxy look.

Will reserve judgement when seeing the car in person...
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