[M2siast]

Originally Posted by cehrl7

No thanks. BMW didn’t bring the M3 wagon to USA for a reason. They suck. No one wants one. The M5 wagon will flop and be discontinued after a year.

Originally Posted by Ex_Stig

That isn’t why the M3 wagon didn’t come to the US. Lol
Pretty sure they would have needed to relocate the battery in the wagon to pass safety standards.

But thank you for your insightful input.

The M3 touring doesn’t suck. People suck.
Nobody wants a wagon, or manual cars. So they don’t bring those cars to market.

We need to speak with our wallets. And when we do, cars come. We have a handful of them… unfortunately not enough of us wanting a manual wagon.

[cehrl7]

Originally Posted by M2siast

The M3 touring doesn’t suck. People suck.
Nobody wants a wagon, or manual cars. So they don’t bring those cars to market.

We need to speak with our wallets. And when we do, cars come. We have a handful of them… unfortunately not enough of us wanting a manual wagon.

Sorry, didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. I stand corrected, manual wagons suck!

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by cehrl7

Sorry, didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. I stand corrected, manual wagons suck!

My feelings are 100% not hurt.
They would be if I had to suffer driving a wallowy automatic X5, though. Luckily I have options. Thanks BMW. But we have to do better to get even better options, so we are not doomed by automatic SUVs that do nothing well.

[itsmabs]

Lots of differing opinions here, all fair and valid. I do like wagons, had a awesome a6 allroad. Why do I like wagons, lighter, better driving dynamics, better driving position, and comparable space to a SUV. Now when the wagon has less power, more weight, a crazy premium, and less space than my current 3 row SUV it understandbly makes me ask why?

For me a m3 wagon would have been a no brainer, this I'm not so sold on, and passed on leaving a down payment. Maybe I'll eat my words, that would be awesome. But a car I always thought I'd instantly jump at, I'll wait and see a few other new things coming to market, including hopefully the rs5 avant. Glad they made it, but sad around some of the decisions.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by itsmabs

Lots of differing opinions here, all fair and valid. I do like wagons, had a awesome a6 allroad. Why do I like wagons, lighter, better driving dynamics, better driving position, and comparable space to a SUV. Now when the wagon has less power, more weight, a crazy premium, and less space than my current 3 row SUV it understandbly makes me ask why?

For me a m3 wagon would have been a no brainer, this I'm not so sold on, and passed on leaving a down payment. Maybe I'll eat my words, that would be awesome. But a car I always thought I'd instantly jump at, I'll wait and see a few other new things coming to market, including hopefully the rs5 avant. Glad they made it, but sad around some of the decisions.

I have to ask what 3 row SUV you have that has more than 738hp (that is the hp rating for the set up in the XM Label, which is in the new M5).

[itsmabs]

Originally Posted by TXSchnee

I have to ask what 3 row SUV you have that has more than 738hp (that is the hp rating for the set up in the XM Label, which is in the new M5).

Sure, sq7 stage 1 tune and intake.

[TXSchnee]

Originally Posted by itsmabs

Sure, sq7 stage 1 tune and intake.

Ok, was thinking Escalade V. SQ7 is a great vehicle.

[NSX2M4]

Sorry guys, but people in the states don't really want this.
I grew up in Buick station wagons and I wouldn't gravitate towards this.
I see poor sales here.

[BSfmAZ]

My 2005 garage and both were 5 speeds...

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by M2siast

The M3 touring doesn’t suck. People suck.
Nobody wants a wagon, or manual cars. So they don’t bring those cars to market.

We need to speak with our wallets. And when we do, cars come. We have a handful of them… unfortunately not enough of us wanting a manual wagon.

Did you put down a deposit for G99? And speak with your wallet? Goes back to my 1st page post. Manuals are history unfortunately, even in Europe, as the manufacturers are pushing EV’s down our throats. We need to bond together for ICE to continue, and refuse to embrace the EMusk EV disaster.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

Did you put down a deposit for G99? And speak with your wallet? Goes back to my 1st page post. Manuals are history unfortunately, even in Europe, as the manufacturers are pushing EV’s down our throats. We need to bond together for ICE to continue, and refuse to embrace the EMusk EV disaster.

I had said that I was ready to vote with my wallet and I would get the G81 if it came to Canada in manual no matter the cost, I’d stretch my budget if needed and get it.

I did vote with my wallet by buying one of the last manual transmission cars available. I only buy manual, that is voting with my wallet as I have no interest in automatics.

The G99 is not for me (although I love the looks and the idea of a wagon), because it’s automatic, and way out of my budget (I can’t vote with a wallet I don’t have lol)

[note46]

I'm voting and voted with my wallet. Own a F31 and #3 on the list at the dealer for G99. I was #1 (verbally) but apparently I got bumped down by two others who buy multiple cars a year. I guess I can't compete with that big of a wallet.

[Quadruple VANOS]

Originally Posted by NSX2M4

Sorry guys, but people in the states don't really want this.
I grew up in Buick station wagons and I wouldn't gravitate towards this.
I see poor sales here.

When I look at Porsche’s worldwide wagon sales I wonder if anyone really wants to own a wagon. The sales performance is downright terrible. Wagons just don’t seem to sell well at all. No wonder Porsche had to drastically cut back on the wagon models they offer.

[DCG]

About Time BMW North America!

Now we got to get BMW M to bring the BMW M3 Touring to the U.S.!!!

[NSX2M4]

^^^ Please Don't, it's already ugly as a coupe.

[stormchaser]

I have 3 wagons currently and as an avid skier, camper, we see them mainly in the Rockies, New England, and even Washington/Oregon. I will bet that most wagon owners use that backspace for outdoor gear. Most wagons also seem to have a higher percentage of roof boxes, roof nests, or ski racks. Let other wagon owners chime in. I see them in Europe at the campgrounds and ski towns, but over 75% of all 3 and 5 series are wagons in Europe. The sales rep at Audi in Munich said "We don't sell any sedans" I am not saying the M wagon wont be amazing, but just not my style nor do I have 100K.

[BimmerBahn]

Originally Posted by DCG

About Time BMW North America!

Now we got to get BMW M to bring the BMW M3 Touring to the U.S.!!!

Won’t happen… only a few years left of the G8X… Neue Klasse maybe if G99 is successful.

[subterFUSE]

Say no to the beaver grill!

[subterFUSE]

Sounds like this M5 Touring will be heavy enough to do Section 179?

[Orafice]

Well…..😭 I know what our new car is going to be. Wife is German and is all over this. She is already making plans to trade in the 540i 🙄

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

Sounds like this M5 Touring will be heavy enough to do Section 179?

What's the weight requirement for that? At least 6,000 lbs?

[subterFUSE]

Yeah, 6000 lbs.