[M2siast]

Originally Posted by M3_Mikee

You’re not providing any evidence on your claim.
You’re deflecting as opposed to providing an answer to why you’re right and the rest of us are wrong. Maybe instead of stating our opinions are wrong you can enlighten us?

I haven’t been deflecting anything, you guys seem to not understand how cars work, and also have not been paying attention to the data.

What car do you think weighs more, the BMW M2 CS at 3,400 lbs or the G87 M2 at 3,800 lbs? (It seems the person above can fit 2 of his 200lbs “buddies” in the CS to compare)

Which one would brake in less distance, the M2 CS with the $8,500 carbon brakes or the fat pig steel brakes G87 M2?

The data shows the M2 CS stops from 65 mph in 101 feet, while the G87 stops in 100 feet.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/

The current record holder in short stopping is the *heavier than the fat pig M2* Mustang Darkhorse.

I can easily extrapolate this data to the M5 and confidently say this M5 will stop in as short or shorter distance than its predecessor, meaning weight has nothing to do with a perceived notion of how the car will brake.

I’ve stated this and will continue, you guys can continue to gaslight and compare apple to oranges with your “what-ifs” like cars full of monkeys or bowling balls…

Fact is that modern cars brake in shorter distances than older cars, whether they weigh more or not.

And please don’t repeat the mistake of the folks in the Nurburgring thread talking about red-hot brakes, please…

Braking is all about tires and the M5 will have enough tires to perform well and brake well. If it weighs more than an F90 it’ll have more tire to brake better.

This whole “deflection” and “whataboutism” is coming from you guys saying “well if it had the same tires as the F90 it would take longer to brake”… fact is it doesn’t.

Let the car be released for Pete’s sakes and if you like it then when you test drive it, buy it, if not, buy something else.

[cfm56d7b]

BMW did not make this decision lightly. There is a market for M5 Touring in the US. Every single one will be spoken for.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Oh la la. 400lb more than the RS6 Avant. Hmmmm. Tough call.

Not for me. Dear lord the RS6 looks good. My first criteria for choosing an automobile is does it move me visually.

[USDMM3]

They missed the boat. Sorry BMW. The M3 wagon should have been here years ago. Years. I would have gladly purchased an e46, e9x, g8x wagon but now you bring a 125k ish M5 to the states? You guys need to listen to your true fan base. Good luck.

[cncmastr]

Originally Posted by Mike535xi

This will be amazing! When I graduate college, I plan to save and get one of these as the car! So excited!

Speak it into existence brother!

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by heymarkv

Anyone who signed the petition to get a G80 touring for the US should be the first ones signing for an allocation for this.

Prove that you actually want a touring since it’s an extremely niche market for the car in today’s world.

Totally different class of cars and different price point. This M5 Touring will almost be 1500lbs more that a M3 Touring not the same feel at all.

I really don’t get this hate toward wagon why anybody should have to prove their use? Just don’t buy one if you don’t like it.

[heymarkv]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

Totally different class of cars and different price point. This M5 Touring will almost be 1500lbs more that a M3 Touring not the same feel at all.

I really don’t get this hate toward wagon why anybody should have to prove their use? Just don’t buy one if you don’t like it.

The point is there isn’t a wagon offering from BMW in USA.

Therfore the next best solution since we never received the G8X Touring would be the M5 Touring.

Regardless, a wagon will always be worse performance wise compared to their sedan counterparts. (M5 vs M5 touring) and imo uglier.

It’s a hyper niche market and I’d love to see people who actually want a sporty wagon buy them, but I highly doubt it. When the sales numbers are a flop, BMW will be like “See, told ya so, the Americans don’t actually want wagons.”

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by heymarkv

The point is there isn’t a wagon offering from BMW in USA.

Therfore the next best solution since we never received the G8X Touring would be the M5 Touring.

Regardless, a wagon will always be worse performance wise compared to their sedan counterparts. (M5 vs M5 touring) and imo uglier.

It’s a hyper niche market and I’d love to see people who actually want a sporty wagon buy them, but I highly doubt it. When the sales numbers are a flop, BMW will be like “See, told ya so, the Americans don’t actually want wagons.”

Of course the M5 Touring will be a flop that why they bring a product with such a huge profit margin so even if they sell only 100 it will still make money.

To compare the Touring situation it’s like if BMW USA would kill the XM, the IX, the X1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and bring only the X5M to the U.S. market. Therefore they could tell their SUV fans you see we listen to you their is the X5M for you and we will judge the demand of SUV purely based on thoses sales numbers.

If BMW USA was serious about Wagons we would have a 330i, M340xi, 330e, M3 Touring, i5 40e, 530i, 540i, i5 M60 available as well. Then you can compare the wagons sales figures compared to the sedan and suv. But BMW want to make more money by pushing their us built suv that are more profitable and not subject to import duties.

[xmanpro]

Damn this thread is triggered.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by xmanpro

Damn this thread is triggered.

Instead of “oh cool, another option”

[MT6]

Touring/Station Wagon buyers in North America is a niche category. USA is about SUVs and Full size Trucks.

I think X5 is the highest selling model for BMW in America

[Nighthawks]

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by MT6

USA is about SUVs and Full size Trucks.

Crossovers are the biggest market for the US overall. Tricky thing is the model Y is considered an SUV which makes no sense

[10"]

5500 lbs + $130,000 = minimal impact

[robopp]

What a big bloated mess. RS6 is such a better buy than this thing. BMW is, unfortunately, following the lead of the American population.

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by xmanpro

Damn this thread is triggered.

Almost a complete collection of terrible takes.

[msej449]

For European BMW owners, pitching the M5 as the only wagon model available in the US looks pretty weird. Over here, it’s only really a ‘halo’ model to advertise the variant, when in reality the bulk of wagons are 3 Series and of those, mainly 328i, 340i and 330d. I had a 320i Touring, 525tds Touring then a 528i Touring and ended up with a 330d xDrive Touring, given the latter is about the same size as my first 5 Series of previous generations. The 5 carries a lot of extra weight over the 3 Touring for not a lot more internal space and most of the more recent Tourings on the road here are 3s.

Subjectively, it seems that here this sector’s buyers choice is between the 3 Touring and the X3/iX3, with buyers wanting a mid-size, comfortable 4-seater with a big luggage space in the back. The respective vehicles’ dimensions fit reasonably comfortably into small UK parking spaces, whereas the 5 Touring or X5 would leave little room to even open the door in many car parks.

No doubt the usual bigots will use the meaningless circular argument that the reason BMW don’t import 3 Series Tourings to the US is because they’re rubbish, or similar jibe, but of course that’s flawed logic. You’ve never been offered the choice - so you can’t know what would and wouldn’t sell.

[cehrl7]

No thanks. BMW didn’t bring the M3 wagon to USA for a reason. They suck. No one wants one. The M5 wagon will flop and be discontinued after a year.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Ev0lutionx

Old news. Tell them we want the M3 wagon.

You people will always gripe about something

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by cehrl7

No thanks. BMW didn’t bring the M3 wagon to USA for a reason. They suck. No one wants one. The M5 wagon will flop and be discontinued after a year.

That isn’t why the M3 wagon didn’t come to the US. Lol
Pretty sure they would have needed to relocate the battery in the wagon to pass safety standards.

But thank you for your insightful input.

[FarsBimmer]

5 Touring would be welcome as an alternative to X5

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by MT6

Touring/Station Wagon buyers in North America is a niche category. USA is about SUVs and Full size Trucks.

I think X5 is the highest selling model for BMW in America

X5 sales were down for 2023 YoY compared to 2022.

Originally Posted by cehrl7

No thanks. BMW didn’t bring the M3 wagon to USA for a reason. They suck. No one wants one. The M5 wagon will flop and be discontinued after a year.

Nope, BMW NA will just throw truck cash to move units like the XM or skip a model year like the M8 coupe/cabrio until units cleared off dealership lots.

Originally Posted by robopp

What a big bloated mess. RS6 is such a better buy than this thing. BMW is, unfortunately, following the lead of the American population.

Exactly why BMW M designed the XM for the US market which has been a smash hit that it’s over a year wait for an allocation (sarcasm).