[Bimmerfun82]

Start taxing on weight - think of the infrastructure and tire and battery production cost to the environment… not to mention safety.

I’m not interested in a 5400lb M5. I thought 4300 lbs was hefty but this is basically an SUV without stilts.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by malrash

On the upside, I think the value of my daily driven M5 CS just went up!

M5 CS is now the pinnacle of BMW ICE saloons. Near perfection from BMW. You will regret selling that, if you ever do.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by M3WC

M5 CS is now the pinnacle of BMW ICE saloons. Near perfection from BMW. You will regret selling that, if you ever do.

That, and/or a g80 manual. (Very happy with mine.) I get the CS is next level, but a manual transmission at ~300 lbs lighter may be closer to ICE perfection- but I haven’t driven the M5CS. This G80 reminds me a bit of our e39 6MT from 23 years ago. Anyway not trying to debate the issue - keep your CS!

[Blue87]

I suppose this works if you are trying to defy physics and straightline acceleration is your main goal. I'm looking forward to the XM type reviews.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Jayf30

Correct me if I’m wrong but BMW has never made an M (or any model for that matter) car that was slower than its predecessor.

Sure it’s a pig but it won’t be a slow one.

Slow in what metric? Maybe they will map the electric drive for 0-60. I see that being the marketing number. Quicker to 60mph by a couple of tenths maybe. Keep in mind C&D tested the F90 LCI at 2.8sec 0-60, 10.9 sec 1/4 and weighed in at 4,237lbs. How is the G90 going to hide 1,131 lbs on a track? Braking and cornering is going to suffer, physics don't lie. G90 technically has worse power-to-weight ratio, so it won't make up time on the straights.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by malrash

No surprises here. More batteries, more safety. No free lunch.

On the upside, I think the value of my daily driven M5 CS just went up!

I think I have heard the same responses before somewhere…
Ah, wait, yes, with every new generation release!

This one is a “fat pig” but BMW still manages to make it faster and better
This one is the size of a 7….well, so was the previous one compared to outgoing 7er
This one has ugly giant grilles…and still, 4 years later cannot find one on the lot or under the MSRP and sales have increased vs previous Gen…

[MrLatte]

The g12 M760Li was ”only” 218kg / 4806lbs

[BigEvan1923]

Originally Posted by RNigel

My brother in Christ, that’s one HEFTY fella. They’re going to need some ELITE brakes for this production

And elite tires

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

I think I have heard the same responses before somewhere…
Ah, wait, yes, with every new generation release!

We need to compare apples to apples. What we need now is a CS version where they drop the electric motor completely, replace the entire frame with a CF one and bump the s68 up 100 hp. Nbd!

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by Ronnie7183

Next gen suspension, wider tires! Faster than the last in every aspect and it will annihilate your favorite super car at 5,363lbs stock!

Um, I’ll believe that when I see it. 285/295 is only 10mm wider than the M3, but a massive increase in weight. This M5 is going to DESTROY tires and won’t grip as well. What a tragedy.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

I think I have heard the same responses before somewhere…
Ah, wait, yes, with every new generation release!

You have to admit this is on another level. When has a new M model had worse power-to-weight ratio? I can't think of one.

This car would not exist in this configuration without Gov regulations.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by robopp

Because my point is that the 911 is a modern car that has to deal with all the regulations and is still under 2000lb less than the G90. I could stack two of my 911 on top of eachother and they’d only barely weigh more than one G90. That’s embarrassing. BMW had a choice and decided to blow this porker up rather than cut weight.

I mean, you’re exactly right, in that 2 Mazda Miatas stacked on top of each other would barely weigh more than the 911…

[robopp]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I mean, you’re exactly right, in that 2 Mazda Miatas stacked on top of each other would barely weigh more than the 911…

Except a 2024 miata weighs 2400lbs….

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

[*]Compared to G60, it will be 36mm longer and 70mm wider, with a slightly longer wheelbase due to a different suspension geometry. The curb weight is 2435kg.

So if we take the F10 M5 with a tune and add 4 newborn elephants, we would have the new M5?

[malrash]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

I think I have heard the same responses before somewhere…
Ah, wait, yes, with every new generation release!

This one is a “fat pig” but BMW still manages to make it faster and better
This one is the size of a 7….well, so was the previous one compared to outgoing 7er
This one has ugly giant grilles…and still, 4 years later cannot find one on the lot or under the MSRP and sales have increased vs previous Gen…

Faster probably. Better, as a saloon, yes. As a GT car, fat chance. Pun intended

[FrznM3]

Originally Posted by M3WC

What is the point?

That is worse power-to-weight ratio than outgoing model.

The point is to pander to eco-terrorists about the climate-change meme. Even though the Earth hasn’t been greener at any time in the past couple centuries than it is now, with more trees! Who knew plants feed on what our exhausts release.

Also the points is to put EMF radiating batteries inches from your ballsack to essentially castrate you.

[DavidXJ]

Originally Posted by MackSea70

The end is near.

Let's do some maths shall we?

F90 weight (highest published figure) 4,345 lbs. Rated Power = 625. Power to weight = 6.952 lbs/HP.

G90 weight 5,368 lbs. MAX Power = 718HP. Power to weight = 7.47 lbs/HP. Now, let's factor in the fact that you CAN deplete the battery in full during a driving session and now you're left with 577HP. Same fat weight. This yields a power to weight of 9.30 lbs/HP.

Those are hard figures, you cannot change them. What the engineers CAN do is fill in a lot of that electric torque way down low which will yield a better 0-60 — since that seems to be all that the general public care about any more.

I believe that 0-62 (0-100) may be a tick faster than the F90. I think 100-200kph are going to be slower. Top speed will be lower (unless Cd is much lower vs. F90). If power delivery is managed like all of the other hybrid systems recently released, the computer is going to decide when and how much kick you're going to get out of that side of the power plant.

I love that my F90 is a perfect blend of power and luxury — but I also love that I paid for a car w 625HP and that I can have it all any time I put my foot down until the tank runs out.

I'll test drive one of the new G90 when it comes out later this summer - but likely I'm out for the series.

Yeah yeah, call me old, call me not in tune w the future. I just can't justify spending that kind of money on a car that is going to be slower, and potentially a LOT slower once the battery is depleted.

I was already regarding my F90 as a keeper, and these newly released stats only reinforce that for me. There is no way this new gen M5 is going to feel nimble on UK roads, especially on those back roads that are sufficiently twisty (and secluded from our creeping surveillance culture) to warrant and reward a truly spirited drive.

The M-division peaked with the F90, period: one doesn't have to be a stubborn Luddite to recognise that; now we're entering a truly different era of compromises, in which it is suddenly all but self-evident that it'll be harder than ever simply to remain a disciple of the brand and accept that newer automatically equals better.

They'll no doubt sell. But the benefits of owning this over a F90 are hardly compelling. Ah well, at least its overblinged illuminated grille silhouette (presumably the M will be festooned with one of those too?) will help it to stand out in the dark...

[wesleyan92]

Every one of us miserable fuks will have this car next year at this time…posting pictures on the inevitable “show me your M5 thread”!

This entire reaction is so predictable.

[Arcades]

At least they are keeping the V8. While hybrids are heavier by nature, 1000+ lbs heavier?

Benz have given about every excuse in the book to their own fans on why they don't put their glorious V8 in more cars like before.

[VANOS]

BMW don’t screw this iconic car up!

[xovora]

Hmm.. if anyone had to guess, how much approximately would the MSRP be? That’s all it depends on at this point.

[Dinosoar]

Why does virtually every car manufacturer think the best performance car has to have gobs of power. Why not leave the current engine alone, and spend all that money in R&D on a lighter chassis. When you add all that power, you have to add AWD, and of course, safety standards these days already make cars heavy. Just putting bigger tires and ceramic brakes isn't enough to actually tame the weight. This happening to M cars is disheartening, IMO. And electrifying and hybriding is not good for proper sportscars/sedans either; not for M cars it isn't. Did I mention disheartening!?