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I think it's entirely possible, when you consider the continent for which BMW resides in. Very liberal when it comes to their environmental standards. If BMW can deliver the power numbers, I think it can happen. |
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Get ready to understand that the continual increase in power will soon stop.
The switch to electric power is for reasons of sustainability, so how long will it be before legislators decide that we don't need to get to 60 faster than x seconds? This will happen by a restriction on power, which will lead to manufacturers to think hard about weight and range. I wouldn't be surprised if we were all restricted to no more than 500 hp within 5 years.
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Euro legislation will be aimed at the manufacturers don't you think, regardless of where they sell to?
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Seems like the logical thing to do, An full performance i5 M seems like that would be the way to go.
Some people will miss the sound of the cars of old and the feeling of being able to change gears with a manual transmission but there will be more then enough of these cars around in the second hand market for people to enjoy. So that is a good thing unless even further restrictions are put in place to start forbidding engines without Euro6 or 7 or 8 whatever it will be in the long run in all cities and such then i think we will see the "death" of the ICE engine as we know it. It will still be an collectors object but the fuel and such for it will be scarce to get. But that ain't gonna happen in the next 20-30 years. So yeah i think BMW is doing the smart choice here even though they are a bit late to the party if i may so so my self. As someone stated earlier in a post so when they restrict this the ICE engines to the extent of not being able to be driven whats the next step restricting top speeds? acceleration? Probably not to unplausible, i mean when you think about it the biggest fault in traffic if we are talking regular traffic is the human error, or rather say the driver, because humans have a tendency to do weird stuff in traffic like start to day dream or playing with their phones or in the worst cases driving drunk. All this parts are what contributes to accidents and shit happening in traffic if you remove the human part of driving then there won't be a need for speed limits either then cars if they are autonomous to that extent then they will be able to be driven 200 km/h to every place without incident now i have a hard time imagining this becoming a reality yet, but the fact still remains humans and their behaviors in traffic is the main reasons for accidents not counting wildlife, or landslides or sinkholes appearing on our roads causing the accident. For example what is the purpose outside of the track to have 600-800 bhp+ is it for overtaking? hardly you can overtake most cars and trucks today with a car around 210 bhp+ with a decent amount of acceleration. So what is the purpose of a 1000 bhp car except being able to say you have one, where are you gonna use it? You can't use it in traffic and if you do you are probably breaking some form of law, on the autobahns part that is no speed limit, sure but not everyone lives next to autobahn or be willing to drive to Germany for such a thing, so on a track yes that is a place to use it but not everyone tracks their cars i know some people who bought M3/M4s or M5s in this case they haven't set their foot on a track not even once nor went down to Germany to drive on the autobahn so what is the point for them having an M5 Competition with that much horsepower and that powerful acceleration, a poser? for the fun of it? or for what it always boils down to in the end when people choose their cars, the feeling of it. It is a great feeling but legislators don't take feeling in to account when creating laws and such so, yes the car as we know it has its days counted for. How will the cars be tomorrow probably a bunch of mix with Hydrogen and EV cars with almost full autonomous capabilities that can take you wherever you want to go and faster then a regular car without restricting your freedom of movement witch is what the car gave to so many people and that is the freedom of being able to get wherever you wanna go whenever you want to. The only thing that will change here is we will still own our cars but driving them our self will probably become a thing of the past when autonomous cars can drive at 250-300 km/h without causing accidents, then what will the purpose of the regular car be (not counting the feeling of having one) they will probably be a collectors object or being stored in museums as our old cars are now but the awe feeling will be "Can you imagine the times when people had to drive their own cars" So yeah the cars of today have their days counted but probably not in the next 20-30 years, the next 30 years will focus on phasing out all form of vehicles with ICE engines and after that has happened, the next step is to remove the human aspect of driving then we surely will have to wonder if we are ever gonna need trains, airplanes and such in the future if an autonomous cars can take us everywhere and maybe faster without emissions.
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I've been saying for awhile after so many BMWs these current ones might be it. Look at the new 4er. That thing is a joke. Someone just posted about a Cadillac CTS-V Blackwing with 650 HP, Manual, RWD is on it's way. I guess Cadillac is making the new ///M cars now. Sad |
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We have a lot more coming before this crap of a year ends
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China is also a large factor.
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Yes indeed.
Are they allowed to drive above 50?
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75 mph is max.
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The very opposite is equally if not more likely.
That is, once the vehicle itself does not pollute, there is no emissions-centric regulatory hurdle holding back power system output. At that point, the cost to produce a compliant 1000hp vehicle becomes close to the cost to produce a compliant 500hp vehicle. Quote:
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I'm so disappointed in BMW. They've had years to get their electric program up to speed and they'll still be using pouch cells in 2024?!
Even if Tesla is late on production, they'll likely already have a 2024 i5M-killer in the Roadster and Model S Plaid hitting the roads. I've been bearish on Tesla for years because I believe the Germans could catch up to the e-tech side while using their superior build quality and chassis dynamics to clobber the Americans. (I'm a recently former Model S and X owner Fwiw) But now, I'm starting to doubt that anyone can catch up to Tesla in powertrain. And 5 years is a good stretch of time...maybe long enough for Tesla to edge towards fit/finish and dynamics that challenge the Germans. |
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No legacy automaker would be afforded that same luxury.
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Just like the next generation 7 series (G70) will be available in BEV form as the i7, the next generation 5 series (G60) will also be available in BEV form as the i5. Likewise, just like the top variant of the i7 is rumored to be branded as the i7 M60, the top variant of the i5 will be branded i5 Mxx. |
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What he said and I have owned a lot of M cars.
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