[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I just find it entertaining how mad people like you get about it lol

I actual don’t care what happens post 2030 but we already know what will happen

Your EV's headed for a scrap yard eventually BGM, time to wise up and sell it or them off before you lose a fortune, surely you 'should' know what's really coming better than the ones who follow Greta Thunberg blindly.

[Car-Addicted]

EV's the "New Coke" of this generation. Maybe the Edsel of our time

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

EV's the "New Coke" of this generation. Maybe the Edsel of our time

If New Coke could do the taste equivalent of 0-60 in a hair over 2 seconds then I would be drinking New Coke.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But that's the point, I don't need to install a gasoline fuel station at home because ICEV consistently fully recharge in 5 minutes w/ 400-miles of range. With EV you HAVE to charge at home (if you can) because otherwise it takes hours to fully recharge (while you sit on your ass doing nothing) and it reduces the lifespan of the battery using DCFC (or supercharging) to boot. Even if it is secondary (though for a majority of home dwellers it is primary) it still sucks and adds multiple hours and anxiety to a road trip (yeah, we know you fly...). And if you get caught public charging PAST 80%, OMG that is COMPLETELY beyond charging etiquette! Oh, and using a 350KW charger when your EV only takes max 150KW, that's a BIG no-no too.

The convenience of charging at home is I’m sleeping while it’s charging. Are you really that bad at planning where you need a station nearby at all times because you’re going to run out of juice? Lmao

Be serious. It has been working for people since day 1 that’s why sales are skyrocketing. With all the “quality” issues teslas get people still buy them. With the lack of a good charging network for non tesla ev’s and people are still buying them.

I don’t need charging etiquette, I charge at home! Lmao

I already showed you my driveway. My ice cars are locked inside while my model 3 can charge outside my driveway any damn time I want. Full charge always.

It’s the best!

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Your EV's headed for a scrap yard eventually BGM, time to wise up and sell it or them off before you lose a fortune, surely you 'should' know what's really coming better than the ones who follow Greta Thunberg blindly.

Time is on the ev side. You guys are the ones losing time.

It’ll be a sad day (and funny for others) when that time comes and you’re like what the fuck why is this really happening?

Lmaooo

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Time is on the ev side. You guys are the ones losing time.

It’ll be a sad day (and funny for others) when that time comes and you’re like what the fuck why is this really happening?

Lmaooo

Dream on BGM, it'll hit you hard when your EV's are worthless and it will happen suddenly.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Dream on BGM, it'll hit you hard when your EV's are worthless and it will happen suddenly.

Happy to lease.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The convenience of charging at home is I’m sleeping while it’s charging. Are you really that bad at planning where you need a station nearby at all times because you’re going to run out of juice? Lmao

Be serious. It has been working for people since day 1 that’s why sales are skyrocketing. With all the “quality” issues teslas get people still buy them. With the lack of a good charging network for non tesla ev’s and people are still buying them.

I don’t need charging etiquette, I charge at home! Lmao

I already showed you my driveway. My ice cars are locked inside while my model 3 can charge outside my driveway any damn time I want. Full charge always.

It’s the best!

Fun to think that, but EV now have a 100-day supply and ICEV have a 50-day supply (pre-strike). ICEV are 92% of the US market and have a 50-day supply. Let that sink in for a moment. Tesla has had to make six (6) downward price adjustments since June or so. Late August and early Sept. Ford was first offering 60-month 1.9% financing AND $3,000 cash back to move Mach E's (even the Mach E GT). That didn't work, so Ford dropped it to 0% financing and $3,000 cash back. THAT didn't work, so now the offer is negotiate anything the eff you want with the dealer so he can get the fricking things off his lot.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

I just find it entertaining how mad people like you get about it lol

I actual don’t care what happens post 2030 but we already know what will happen

Yawn

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Time is on the ev side. You guys are the ones losing time.

It’ll be a sad day (and funny for others) when that time comes and you’re like what the fuck why is this really happening?

Lmaooo

Just looked on the dealer's website at the Mach E I test drove on September 1st; it is now $7,200 dollars off MSRP. The day I was there the Sales Manager took off the $2,100 for the stupid BlueCruise, $3,000 cash from Bill Ford, and he was so excited to tell me the 1.9% just dropped to 0% for 60 months. I almost bit. Then I started reading the Mach E forum. Found out really how much of a joke public charging is and the Mach E's high voltage battery controller overheats and bricks the car*. You can find on the Web where the Mach E is the 2nd-best selling SUV EV (behind the Model Y). Yeah, EVs are selling well. Sure. Everyone wants one.

* Ford has updated the software so it now doesn't brick, just cuts available power by 50%.

What a flippin' joke.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just looked on the dealer's website at the Mach E I test drove on September 1st; it is now $7,200 dollars off MSRP. The day I was there the Sales Manager took off the $2,100 for the stupid BlueCruise, $3,000 cash from Bill Ford, and he was so excited to tell me the 1.9% just dropped to 0% for 60 months. I almost bit. Then I started reading the Mach E forum. Found out really how much of a joke public charging is and the Mach E's high voltage battery controller overheats and bricks the car*. You can find on the Web where the Mach E is the 2nd-best selling SUV EV (behind the Model Y). Yeah, EVs are selling well. Sure. Everyone wants one.

* Ford has updated the software so it now doesn't brick, just cuts available power by 50%.

What a flippin' joke.

What I get from this is you are an interested buyer of an EV.

[Efthreeoh]

More...

The Hyundai Iconiq 5...

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just looked on the dealer's website at the Mach E I test drove on September 1st; it is now $7,200 dollars off MSRP. The day I was there the Sales Manager took off the $2,100 for the stupid BlueCruise, $3,000 cash from Bill Ford, and he was so excited to tell me the 1.9% just dropped to 0% for 60 months. I almost bit. Then I started reading the Mach E forum. Found out really how much of a joke public charging is and the Mach E's high voltage battery controller overheats and bricks the car*. You can find on the Web where the Mach E is the 2nd-best selling SUV EV (behind the Model Y). Yeah, EVs are selling well. Sure. Everyone wants one.

* Ford has updated the software so it now doesn't brick, just cuts available power by 50%.

What a flippin' joke.

Such a great vehicle the manufacturer loses nearly $60K for every vehicle sold. Thats a model for success.

https://www.thestreet.com/technology...c-vehicle-sold

[Car-Addicted]

Oh My

Electric Vehicle Depreciation 101: Why Do EVs Lose Their Value Faster Than Gas Cars?

According to a study, most three-year-old electric vehicles (EVs) generally lose 52% of their price tag as brand-new units, which is higher than the 39.1% of conventional counterparts.

Here are the five EV models with the highest depreciation rates after three years of use:

BMW i3 – 60.4%
Nissan LEAF – 60.2%
Kia Soul EV – 58.7%
Hyundai Ioniq Electric – 47.7%
Chevrolet Bolt – 47.5%

https://www.carparts.com/blog/electr...than-gas-cars/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

Such a great vehicle the manufacturer loses nearly $60K for every vehicle sold.

I feel bad for Ford but the REAL losers here in this Green Grift are the American tax payers.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

What I get from this is you are an interested buyer of an EV.

If you could look way back in my post log (the Forum no longer goes back that far), I started looking at the Model S in 2013, but the cheapest one was $75K and barely could handle my 165-mile daily commute in winter. Back then the E90 was already nearing 250,000 miles. The Model S didn't make an economic case to buy it. By the math I did at the time based on the prevailing gas prices at the time, I calculated an EV needed to cost around $35,000, or gasoline had to raise to $6.50/Gal, to break even over an ICEV for a 200,000 mile use case. A few years later, low and behold the Model 3 was announced as a $35K EV (it never really happened) and the Bolt arrived first (before the Model 3) at $38K. I'd say I've well-studied the subject matter.

If GM came out with a pure Serial Hybrid 4-door Sports Sedan, which what I was hoping the Volt was going to turn into, I'd buy that as a replacement to my 400,000+ mile E90 in a heartbeat. I am quite disheartened that GM gave up on the Volt. It now could be in a leadership position in the hybrid market had it continued development of the Voltec architecture. GM gave back the lead to Toyota. Toyota's hybrid system is just a cribbed version of TRW's parallel hybrid system TRW developed in the early 1970s. GM's Voltec was pure engineering genius. Despite all the Government Green bullshit, the market answer is going to be ICE-powered hybrids. All the wet-dream hydrogen fuel cell solutions are just far too expensive to implement and still requires a massive fuel infrastructure change.

The Mach E looks decent for an EV and actually has a driver-focused gauge cluster, but with the BIG tablet too. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 looks decent as well and has an even better gauge/tablet layout. But both suffer from poorly-designed high-voltage battery management systems. Both are heavily discounted at the moment. The two are discounted because EV are just simply inconvenient to own compared to an ICEV. There is really no cost savings because the payback is up near 7-years and 75,000 miles, which most people see as not worth sacrificing the range limitations and charging limitations, when they know they can go anywhere and recharge in 5 minutes with ICEV. Most people could give a shit the Model 3 does 60 MPH in 4 seconds (the cheap one is like 5.8 seconds...).

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Fun to think that, but EV now have a 100-day supply and ICEV have a 50-day supply (pre-strike). ICEV are 92% of the US market and have a 50-day supply. Let that sink in for a moment. Tesla has had to make six (6) downward price adjustments since June or so. Late August and early Sept. Ford was first offering 60-month 1.9% financing AND $3,000 cash back to move Mach E's (even the Mach E GT). That didn't work, so Ford dropped it to 0% financing and $3,000 cash back. THAT didn't work, so now the offer is negotiate anything the eff you want with the dealer so he can get the fricking things off his lot.

https://www.greencars.com/expert-ins...ctric-vehicles


The model 3/Y have been the BEST SELLING EV since they debuted lmaooooo

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I feel bad for Ford but the REAL losers here in this Green Grift are the American tax payers.

Ford laughed at tesla 10+ years ago.

Now they’re playing catch up. Still can’t catch them.

And did someone say the Mach-e looks decent??? Lmaooooooooo………


Oooooooooooooo……

Ooooooooooooooo……..

[NikMN]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

https://www.greencars.com/expert-ins...ctric-vehicles


The model 3/Y have been the BEST SELLING EV since they debuted lmaooooo

Best selling ev is like being the the fastest short bus.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

[url]The model 3/Y have been the BEST SELLING EV since they debuted lmaooooo

So in other words, A lot of people will lose a lot of money, Good to know!

ICE ICE BABY

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by NikMN

Best selling ev is like being the the fastest short bus.

Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Who’s losing money?

If anything you’re all going to lose buying new ICE cars soon lmaooooooooo

It’s all good my boys. Time is only on the ev side. This is a marathon. Wait til the end