[deutsch100]

I saw this on the 7 Series forum. Wow. This would be awesome for those who have a new ICE 5 Series. I wonder if BMW will provide this for the 5er?!

[PsychDoc]

That would be awesome. Seems like it could be implemented with a simple OTA software update.
Fingers crossed. I hate ASS.

[2020540]

It is. My X5 was built 8/6 and I took delivery on Friday. Surprised and delighted to see this. Genius did not know it was available but I have it and it works. Happy days are here again for BMW owners.

[PsychDoc]

My car is on 03/2024.57.

Any information on an update that will allow manual disabling of ASS? The MyBmw app says "no update available."

[deutsch100]

BMW must have gotten BRUTAL and MAD feedback from ICE owners not being able to turn off ASS.

What would ever make them think this was going to work, and go over?? Idiots. BMW is still my fav auto company, but they have had a rash of sh*t choices the past few years!!

[AiredaleDad]

It may be that they are so enamored with the MPG numbers being in the high 20's and 30's that they figured if they gave you the choice to turn it off, most people would. Especially those of us in warmer climates not wanting the AC to cut out at a stop light. Then their numbers would change to be more like the competition. So the simple answer is "Don't give the choice unless they are in Sport mode." I'm sure more and more complaints have made them change their tune. Now it's "Give them the choice, but make them have to make that choice every time so it becomes a pain in the ass and they don't always bother." Or, if someone like my wife drives the car, they won't care and leave it on. She doesn't even use Cruise Control on the car she has been driving for 9 years. I'm not sure she knows how.

[handinpalm]

Originally Posted by 2020540

It is. My X5 was built 8/6 and I took delivery on Friday. Surprised and delighted to see this. Genius did not know it was available but I have it and it works. Happy days are here again for BMW owners.

Is there a way to make a shortcut on the display, so you don't have to dig deep into the layers of menus? Hopefully they don't try to make it a pain in the ASS to get to it. haha As far as BMW Genius goes, they are usually the last to know about anything, until everyone else tells them.

[PsychDoc]

Is this available yet? If so, where is it in the apps? "Vehicle settings?"

If it's not available yet, any idea when we'll be getting this option?

[LVBMW]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

Is this available yet? If so, where is it in the apps? "Vehicle settings?"

If it's not available yet, any idea when we'll be getting this option?

Seems like it might be part of the 7/2024 software update which probably won't come out OTA until the fall.

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by LVBMW

Seems like it might be part of the 7/2024 software update which probably won't come out OTA until the fall.

I can't wait!

[AiredaleDad]

I'm hoping mine comes with it already. I am pretty sure the factory/Dealer would check and deliver with the latest update available. I'm really not sure how it is all going to work for me being in Spain with a US Spec vehicle. I'm thinking they will likely download to my "MyBMW" App on my US T-Mobile Cellphone (It does work in Spain) while it is on WiFi, and I can install them in the car using Bluetooth. Fingers Crossed.

[Bklyn]

I'm hoping that any software update fixes all the crap that doesn't work on my car with any regularity. Don't have an ice car but everything else about my car sucks ass.

[Caveno]

They roll out the update over a few weeks. I’m delighted by this, and certainly did not keep my mouth shut about my disappointment with the ASS. I’ve emailed them dozens of times and exaggerated all types of issues.

Bmw was forced to mandate thr ASS by thr EPA in addition to the European agencies. What happened now? I’ve got no idea, but likely they were able to get approval to do this in response to consumer complaints.

I almost started to hate my 24 760 over this. It just made driving anxious. Don’t get me wrong, I understand it’s psychological but after 10 months with the car I still wasn’t used to it.

Once I get my software update and can shut this stupid shit off, I’m going to get a car wash and hopefully start enjoying my car again.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Caveno

Bmw was forced to mandate thr ASS by thr EPA in addition to the European agencies. What happened now? I’ve got no idea, but likely they were able to get approval to do this in response to consumer complaints..

The EPA does not mandate manufactures to have ASS that can't be turned off. Some manufactures do it to receive more off-cycle credits.

[AiredaleDad]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

The EPA does not mandate manufactures to have ASS that can't be turned off. Some manufactures do it to receive more off-cycle credits.

Credits or no credits. It's annoying as hell not being able to turn it off. Every other car I have driven has a button to turn it off. Even if you have to turn it off every time you start the car. It still is an option you should have.

[Caveno]

Originally Posted by TurtleBoy

The EPA does not mandate manufactures to have ASS that can't be turned off. Some manufactures do it to receive more off-cycle credits.

It’s not that simple. There is a lot of negotiations between automakers and government bureaucrats. BMW more than I think all auto manufacturers is focused on satisfying their customers. I don’t think they just decided to choose profits over some epa credits.

[ToddRGuy]

How does BMW stop/start work, per se? I have it in my current Audi. There’s a physical button on the dash to turn it off, but you’d need to press it every time you start it.

This being said, it’s the brake pedal in the Audi and the degree to which you press it that activates ASS. I’ve learned over time where that pressure point is, and simply hold my foot more lightly when I don’t want it to engage, when at a standstill.

My assumption would be that with the B58 and the hybrid system it would be an imperceptible transition from off to on? How badly does the AC decrease when at a stop? It’s never been a concern for me in my current vehicle.

[dsgs]

Originally Posted by ToddRGuy

How does BMW stop/start work, per se? I have it in my current Audi. There’s a physical button on the dash to turn it off, but you’d need to press it every time you start it.

My assumption would be that with the B58 and the hybrid system it would be an imperceptible transition from off to on? How badly does the AC decrease when at a stop? It’s never been a concern for me in my current vehicle.

I recently drove an M340 with the B58. It was similar to my old 3-series with the N55. The ASS kicks in whenever you are at a standstill with the brake depressed and certain conditions are met. I don't think the conditions include the amount of pressure on the brake. As I recall, the interior of the vehicle has to be close enough to the set temperature, the oil temperature of the engine has to be high enough, the steering wheel can't be too far from centre, and the starter battery has to have sufficient charge.

The AC runs very, very low when the engine is off. It's not good at all in hot, sunny weather (especially when you've just started driving and things have yet to cool down). I could restart the engine if it got too hot in the car by turning the steering wheel a bit. On the old 3-series you could deactivate ASS with a dash button. Some coding tricks would have it remember the setting between restarts.

When setting off from a standstill the engine restart is pretty subtle, and is done by the time you get your foot off the brake and onto the gas. You can tell it happened but it's not a big deal. The same system in the 4-cylinder cars I've tried is a lot more noticeable. With either engine, if the car is not moving at restart it is quite jerky - unpleasantly so, IMO.

When I had the N55 I left the auto-start-stop enabled. Mostly it wasn't a big deal. If I were stuck in stop-go traffic in the hot sun I would occasionally disable it, but mostly I left it on.

[TurtleBoy]

Originally Posted by Caveno

It’s not that simple. There is a lot of negotiations between automakers and government bureaucrats. BMW more than I think all auto manufacturers is focused on satisfying their customers. I don’t think they just decided to choose profits over some epa credits.

LOL I think you made my point.

[AiredaleDad]

Originally Posted by ToddRGuy

How does BMW stop/start work, per se? I have it in my current Audi. There’s a physical button on the dash to turn it off, but you’d need to press it every time you start it.

This being said, it’s the brake pedal in the Audi and the degree to which you press it that activates ASS. I’ve learned over time where that pressure point is, and simply hold my foot more lightly when I don’t want it to engage, when at a standstill.

My assumption would be that with the B58 and the hybrid system it would be an imperceptible transition from off to on? How badly does the AC decrease when at a stop? It’s never been a concern for me in my current vehicle.

Last year I had a rented 530i G30. All I had to do was let off the brake a little and it would start the engine. I'm not sure if that had the mild Hybrid or not though. In June ths year I had a rented Audi A5, and it was the same. Let off the brake a little and it started.

[handinpalm]

There are plenty of disadvantages with ASS. How about wearing out the starter motor with ASS? There is a recall of older model cars from starter motors catching fire. If your car is not in a recall, you will probably still see an expensive repair bill to replace starter, later down the road. Who wants to have to push a button every time you get in your car or let up on the brake at every stop, or adjust how hard you depress the brake when stopping? Instead of driving becoming a better experience over time, it is the opposite. Any way you look at it, ASS makes your car a POS.

"BMW of North America issued a recall for more than 105,000 of its vehicles over concerns their starter motor could overheat, posing a fire risk.

The recall involves certain BMW model year 2019-2020 X5, X7, 2020 3 Series Sedan, X6, 2020-2021 7 Series Sedan, 2020 8 Series Convertible, 8 Series Coupe and 2020 8 Series Gran Coupe vehicles."

[ToddRGuy]

Originally Posted by AiredaleDad

Last year I had a rented 530i G30. All I had to do was let off the brake a little and it would start the engine. I'm not sure if that had the mild Hybrid or not though. In June ths year I had a rented Audi A5, and it was the same. Let off the brake a little and it started.

Okay, cool, this is good to know. I’ll just find the sweet spot on the pedal and do the balancing act. I do it unconsciously now with the Audi, so if the G60 is like the G30 it’ll be business as usual.