[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by NGT2

Same thought here. I also am surprised by all the griping over the grill size.

The grill size I think is fine, but I think the issue is the headlights are so small and not as wide as prior Bimmers that it accentuates the size of the grill. That and the cars front end looks like an SUV, almost taller than wide.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by SweEngineer

I think that's intentional because Domagoj wants to shake up everything that is traditional BMW hence XM.

Which is crazy. It’s not some new or cheap brand that’s trying to make a new name. It’s BMW. It’s an iconic brand around the world. Just make freaking BMW’s.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

The grill size I think is fine, but I think the issue is the headlights are so small and not as wide as prior Bimmers that it accentuates the size of the grill. That and the cars front end looks like an SUV, almost taller than wide.

Agree there. Give me low, long, and wide on the front end. All day every day.

[Rat_House]

Dear bmw, please take a page out of fords book and give us retro inspired designs like they did with the mustang and bronco.
Sincerely,
Everyone who still has their eyesight

[advantage20]

[advantage20]

Originally Posted by MinMax

I hope this number thing won’t become a trend across all the BMW future viehcles……

[advantage20]

[advantage20]

[hufington]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Wrapping is a good way of disguising the hideous proportions and odd design elements.

[bayarea328xit]

Looks like the "comfort" seats on this model lack some of the adjustability of the existing comfort seats. Also, I don't see any mention of seat massage capability.

[BGBF18]

590 hp + awd = 3.7 0-60? Yikes.

[advantage20]

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by advantage20

They look nothing alike. The color is similar, and that’s it.
These ‘Look it looks like this car’ posts are incredibly silly and annoying.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Bostongio

I don't get BMW designers. Like, at all.

The whole point of a brand design is so that people recognize your car's brand from afar. I know immediately when a Porsche -- any Porsche -- comes up on me or when I see one on the road. They share lots of similar design cues between models.

That used to the case with BMW too. Similar kidney grilles, similar lights. Similar styling all around.

Now it seems each model is being designed by a different design team and given very broad instructions. "Make this more fuel efficient, no matter how hideous the styling." "Don't look at other BMW models for ideas about the lights or grille. Just design whatever moves you."

There's no brand thread running through the various models any longer. Each kidney grille is like some artistic interpretation of the iconic classic grille. None of them share much in common any more (even the vertical slats are gone in some of them!).

And really? The 540i is going to give us a straight 6 that makes LESS horsepower than the same engine in the 440i? It's like they're going out of their way to be insulting. Why add the stupid mild hybrid system if it really does so very little in terms of power, but adds significant degrees of complexity to the motor? I just don't get it.

The ONE thing nearly every positive review of previous G30s comments on is the satisfaction of having physical controls for basic functions like volume and climate control. And of course they took it all away.

The door handles look as cheap as a Camry. Same with the rear/trunk styling -- so very generic. Could be any car out there today.

The pre-LCI G30 (the car I also happen to own) seems like it's going to be the last great 5 series BMW. I'm so, so disappointed.

Pre-LCI G30? Really?
Oh, that’s your car. I get it.

M440i’s an nd M340i’s engines are M Performance tuned. Not suitable for 540i, which is supposed to be smoother. It still has +40HP over the older one.
X5 and X7 have the same engine.

Designer’s goal is NOT to make cars that look like each other. I don’t know where you heard that.

Last great 5, is the G60. I used to have the pre-LCI G30. I can’t even imagine the mindset that would call that better than this. There’s absolutely no comparison.

G60 may be the biggest jump ever in 5 series history.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Pre-LCI G30? Really?
Oh, that’s your car. I get it.

M440i’s an nd M340i’s engines are M Performance tuned. Not suitable for 540i, which is supposed to be smoother. It still has +40HP over the older one.
X5 and X7 have the same engine.

Designer’s goal is NOT to make cars that look like each other. I don’t know where you heard that.

Last great 5, is the G60. I used to have the pre-LCI G30. I can’t even imagine the mindset that would call that better than this. There’s absolutely no comparison.

G60 may be the biggest jump ever in 5 series history.

G60 will have cool tech. All new cars have the best tech. That’s part of being new. So tech wise, yes of course.

The G30 and F10 are both much better looking cars than the G60. I’m not even saying it’s ugly. It’s just boring looking and kind of has some “fad” look to it that I don’t think will age very well.

I do kind of get a kick out of the “pre LCI/LCI” statements. I’m aware they look different, I specifically chose one over the other. But at the same time, the difference isn’t that huge. It’s the headlights, tail lights, some minor differences in the front bumper, and the 19” wheels changed. But it’s the same shape and the same body. When comparing the generations, I don’t think there’s much use in specifying LCI or pre LCI. The G30 and F10 are better looking than the G60, regardless of which year.

[PsychDoc]

G60 seems a little nicer in this youtube comparison.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

G60 seems a little nicer in this youtube comparison.

https://youtu.be/LDpGcFTwWVU

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I prefer the Merc. Something odd about the stance of the i5 and the interior doesn’t seem cohesive.

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Can’t believe I’m saying this, but I prefer the Merc. Something odd about the stance of the i5 and the interior doesn’t seem cohesive.

Yeah, I thought the G60 was going to be a no-brainer. Now I'm not so sure. MB did a nice job with the new E. Except for the horrid triangle-illuminated tail lights.

[BMWRL]

I always chuckle at people on here that say previous body style values went up, but really, G30 values will go up.

I’m trying to like this new 5er as I’ve had 3 of them now and find it’s the perfect car, but I’m having a hard time here. It does look like it’s riding too high, and the rear end does give me MB vibes. I was really excited for the new G60, but I’m a little disappointed.

[NGT2]

Originally Posted by BMWRL

I always chuckle at people on here that say previos body style values went up, but really, G30 values will go up.

I’m trying to like this new 5er as I’ve had 3 of them now and find it’s the perfect car, but I’m having a hard time here. It does look like it’s riding too high, and the rear end does give me MB vibes. I was really excited for the new G60, but I’m a little disappointed.

They could’ve done better even in the general direction they went. I don’t mind the sloped rear. Maybe the ICE and PHEV versions won’t sit so high. But the head and tail lights aren’t very attractive.

[Eric500]

i think in real life the 5 will look better. The e has a familiar shape, but that front is way worse than the 5. the E has weird DRL's and a weird black surround around the grill. The E looks fine, but already a bit dated.

Interior, i like ambient lighting, but the 5 is more creative even if the E has more (quality over quatity)

Most E's wont have the hyperscreen, so it will be a large swatch of plastic or something there. I think the screen location is more functional in the 5, too low in the E?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Eric500

i think in real life the 5 will look better. The e has a familiar shape, but that front is way worse than the 5. the E has weird DRL's and a weird black surround around the grill. The E looks fine, but already a bit dated.

Interior, i like ambient lighting, but the 5 is more creative even if the E has more (quality over quatity)

Most E's wont have the hyperscreen, so it will be a large swatch of plastic or something there. I think the screen location is more functional in the 5, too low in the E?

E’s without the Superscreen get a large panel of wood. I actually prefer it to the optional screen.