[BimmerGuyFL78]

Originally Posted by franxx

Can you say something about the engine sound? From a youtube pov video with the G60 it looks like there is more sound inside the cabin (improved ASD I guess).

Thanks a lot.

Interesting you ask this because while driving the G60 540i, I found the engine sound to feel more distant/isolated. The engine sound did sound nice though in a refined sound that was actually enjoyable.

[8GranCouper]

Originally Posted by COBodom

Someone said that before (not my line) but I will repeat it here...I think BMW finally built a prefect Lexus minus the use of some hard plastics refurbished from public school folding chairs.

It was in the Throttle House review. Personally I have to disagree because Lexus will never have the testosterone to create a 600 HP RWD-based sedan. The fact that all their new vehicles have killed the NA V6 in favor of hybrid 4-cylinders sitting on modified Camry platforms makes the brand dead to me.

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by 8GranCouper

It was in the Throttle House review. Personally I have to disagree because Lexus will never have the testosterone to create a 600 HP RWD-based sedan. The fact that all their new vehicles have killed the NA V6 in favor of hybrid 4-cylinders sitting on modified Camry platforms makes the brand dead to me.

The point is, G60 offers much more comfy and plush ride over the G30 therfore comparison to Lexus.

It's not being compared to Lexus for its engine potency or driving dynamics (which are still very much BMW like).

[8GranCouper]

Originally Posted by COBodom

The point is, G60 offers much more comfy and plush ride over the G30 therfore comparison to Lexus.

It's not being compared to Lexus for its engine potency or driving dynamics (which are still very much BMW like).

That's a rather odd generalization when most Lexus's ride like crap compared to a (admittedly more expensive) German rival. Lexi(?) don't typically ride any better than the Toyota they're based off of and the only reason that their ride is noteworthy is because their driving dynamics are crap when sitting on those FWD platforms.

The RWD Lexus models have my respect, especially the GS, but they are nothing like those crappy gussied up Camries and Highlanders that Lexus sales are mostly made of. Saying the new 5 Series is a "perfect Lexus" might as well be saying it's a "perfect Camry".

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by 8GranCouper

That's a rather odd generalization when most Lexus's ride like crap compared to a (admittedly more expensive) German rival. Lexi(?) don't typically ride any better than the Toyota they're based off of and the only reason that their ride is noteworthy is because their driving dynamics are crap when sitting on those FWD platforms.

The RWD Lexus models have my respect, especially the GS, but they are nothing like those crappy gussied up Camries and Highlanders that Lexus sales are mostly made of. Saying the new 5 Series is a "perfect Lexus" might as well be saying it's a "perfect Camry".

This was a sarcastic, humorous remark made by two YouTubers known for their goofy comments.

We can certainly take the analysis further though.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by 8GranCouper

It was in the Throttle House review. Personally I have to disagree because Lexus will never have the testosterone to create a 600 HP RWD-based sedan. The fact that all their new vehicles have killed the NA V6 in favor of hybrid 4-cylinders sitting on modified Camry platforms makes the brand dead to me.

Sad really Toyota can’t supercharge the v6 like Lotus does to produce 400 hp.

We will look back on the demise of their v6 I think.

Ice and EV should always be offered. I feel the 2035 mandate will be pushed aside and the market will eventually decide.

That’s being said- I drove the new Model 3 Highland today and it was pretty awesome. Rwd- very nice interior. It’s come a long long way from 2017.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by JK479

I drove the new Model 3 Highland today and it was pretty awesome. Rwd- very nice interior. It’s come a long long way from 2017.

Too bad it looks so lame. I don’t align with the consensus that it’s a styling improvement, though I haven’t seen it in person yet. It definitely doesn’t look like a car that costs $50k.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

Too bad it looks so lame. I don’t align with the consensus that it’s a styling improvement, though I haven’t seen it in person yet. It definitely doesn’t look like a car that costs $50k.

It’s sharp in person. A really nice quality interior. Instead of trying to wow on an LCI like BMW- I think they took the evolution model which also gave them a cost saving measure. I’m still undecided on the steering wheel turn signals. But it felt more Model S and less 3 to me.

It’s a RWD architecture. And boy was it quiet and road comfy/ accurately.

And it’s 38,000.00. Not 50,000 for the RWD.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by JK479

Sad really Toyota can’t supercharge the v6 like Lotus does to produce 400 hp.

We will look back on the demise of their v6 I think.

Ice and EV should always be offered. I feel the 2035 mandate will be pushed aside and the market will eventually decide.

That’s being said- I drove the new Model 3 Highland today and it was pretty awesome. Rwd- very nice interior. It’s come a long long way from 2017.

It definitely looks better but not different enough to set it apart from the other ones on the road. I don’t think the steering wheel turn signals are a good idea. In some countries, turn signal indicators are required in roundabouts. I imagine it would be difficult to press them while navigating a multi turn roundabout.

I think you can get a little too minimalist. That’s what puts me off with the Model 3. No HUD, no dashboard. Now everything is on one display. I like having my nav in HUD, speed, efficiency, mileage, temperature in my dash. That leaves my infotainment free for music, Microsoft Teams meetings (through CarPlay). All of that might get a bit crowded on a single display. Also, I use one pedal driving but my husband hates it. With Tesla, they took away your choice with a software update. Instead, Musk installs fart noises and goats bleating. I don’t want to be subjected to the whimsy of a man with an emotional IQ of 8.

[COBodom]

That Tesla looks really nice. Hope they rectified their fit and finish (QA).

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by JK479

And it’s 38,000.00. Not 50,000 for the RWD.

My comment was more towards the average. Most will cost more than 38,000 and they all will look the same apart from wheel choice.

Reviews so far seem favorable, I'm just not personally convinced of the value or style.

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

These are the things that will push me to an 840i GC and pay 20k more for the privilege. I just can’t see paying 80k-ish for a G60 540iX with less than my current G30 540i. I really don’t think these relatively small things are worth 20k more, but 80k for a 540i without them will feel like a big miss and wasted money. I’m really more of a committed 5 series customer but with a luxury product the details matter.

I am with you, details matter with luxury products.

That's why, for me, getting the G60 was NOT a clear cut choice like it was in prior years when I was replacing F10 with G30. Yet, I ended up with the G60 as the car was still the best choice for me (many reasons).

I find it comical when people try to downplay the obvious crap plastics used in G60. Some materials are beyond embarrassing. When my car buddies asked me how I liked the new car my answer was "tech is great, ride is awesome, materials are $hit".

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by COBodom

When my car buddies asked me how I liked the new car my answer was "tech is great, ride is awesome, materials are $hit".

BMW, are you listening?

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by g21

every EV i have tested have near perfect ride quality and little cornering lean

i think it's the heavy battery in the middle and the stiff-as springs to support the heavy battery in the middle that gives this 'quality'

He's talking about 540i, which is an inline-6 ICE car.
Also, which EV has perfect ride quality? iX with air suspension and EQS do, but 90%+ of EVs have bad ride quality due to stiff suspension.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

My comment was more towards the average. Most will cost more than 38,000 and they all will look the same apart from wheel choice.

Reviews so far seem favorable, I'm just not personally convinced of the value or style.

The RWD \ AWD split is about 50 / 50 in terms of model 3 sales. But I hear you, hopefully the Model 3 Performance makes will be a proper 60,000 sport sedan. They should do more to make it upscale…

I feel like the Model X is old in the tooth and needs a more expressive design.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

It definitely looks better but not different enough to set it apart from the other ones on the road. I don’t think the steering wheel turn signals are a good idea. In some countries, turn signal indicators are required in roundabouts. I imagine it would be difficult to press them while navigating a multi turn roundabout.

I think you can get a little too minimalist. That’s what puts me off with the Model 3. No HUD, no dashboard. Now everything is on one display. I like having my nav in HUD, speed, efficiency, mileage, temperature in my dash. That leaves my infotainment free for music, Microsoft Teams meetings (through CarPlay). All of that might get a bit crowded on a single display. Also, I use one pedal driving but my husband hates it. With Tesla, they took away your choice with a software update. Instead, Musk installs fart noises and goats bleating. I don’t want to be subjected to the whimsy of a man with an emotional IQ of 8.

It’s funny to assume Elon installed the fart noises himself. It’s also funny not to like a car because of one man.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by JK479

It’s funny to assume Elon installed the fart noises himself. It’s also funny not to like a car because of one man.

Don’t assume that’s the only reason. Teslas have been in my area from the beginning with a mall showroom for preorders. I don’t care for the exterior styling, don’t like the interior materials, don’t like a single center mounted display, and I don’t like the limited options for interior and exterior colors. I shouldn’t have to pay $8k for a wrap because a company wants to keep costs down. It’s like buying a car from IKEA.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by JK479

It’s funny to assume Elon installed the fart noises himself. It’s also funny not to like a car because of one man.

It’s silly for a new car company to waste time on fart noises, light shows and megaphone apps when they’re getting basic things wrong. If you’re already doing a bang up job on everything, sure, give me silly apps. But when customers are waiting for the development of things they’ve already paid for, those silly things become much sillier.

Tesla had a pretty rocky start. A lot of that had to do with questionable decisions. A lot of those decisions were made or approved by Musk.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

It’s silly for a new car company to waste time on fart noises, light shows and megaphone apps when they’re getting basic things wrong. If you’re already doing a bang up job on everything, sure, give me silly apps. But when customers are waiting for the development of things they’ve already paid for, those silly things become much sillier.

Tesla had a pretty rocky start. A lot of that had to do with questionable decisions. A lot of those decisions were made or approved by Musk.

Careful- your bitterness is showing.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

Don’t assume that’s the only reason. Teslas have been in my area from the beginning with a mall showroom for preorders. I don’t care for the exterior styling, don’t like the interior materials, don’t like a single center mounted display, and I don’t like the limited options for interior and exterior colors. I shouldn’t have to pay $8k for a wrap because a company wants to keep costs down. It’s like buying a car from IKEA.

It takes a LONG time to get used to that tech. One of the reasons I never jumped in is I like buttons. Normal gauges. But BMW is essentially on a Tesla like mission here.

Not sure I’d agree with ikea on the Highland. Maybe the 2023 model 3. There’s an air of sophistication that now is present on the 2024. Id encourage you to have a look. You might be right- it’s not for you. But it’s atleast worth a look in person.

[Blue Angel]

Originally Posted by JK479

Careful- your bitterness is showing.

I’m not bitter at all. I can simply choose not to buy their product if I don’t like it. I don’t buy peach colored shirts either, that doesn’t mean I’m bitter because they exist.

I just point out that Tesla has charted a very unique course, and that I’m not blind to their shortcomings (as many are). Choice is good, and I’m glad it’s an American company leading the way with EVs.

[JK479]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

I’m not bitter at all. I can simply choose not to buy their product if I don’t like it. I don’t buy peach colored shirts either, that doesn’t mean I’m bitter because they exist.

I just point out that Tesla has charted a very unique course, and that I’m not blind to their shortcomings (as many are). Choice is good, and I’m glad it’s an American company leading the way with EVs.

That’s a good outlook. It’s nice to root for the home team once in a while.

Also think about how Kia and Hyundai needed years to perfect their manufacturing. Now their cars are considered very reliable and well built. Not sure that could be said in the late 90s and early 2000s…