[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Is this the same car that does 0-100 km/h in 6.4s and maxes out at 230 kph, and weighs over two tonnes?

I mean, it seems like overkill on such a car.

It probably is, but that's hardly the point I believe.
When we got rid of all none functional performance features of a car, most cars would drive on 16inch rims or smaller.
When we would add the law in the mix, nobody would be on this forum, except some Germans from Bavaria probably.
etc...

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by KoenG

It probably is, but that's hardly the point I believe.
When we got rid of all none functional performance features of a car, most cars would drive on 16inch rims or smaller.
When we would add the law in the mix, nobody would be on this forum, except some Germans from Bavaria probably.
etc...

The point of aero is to enable faster speeds with more control at those speeds. So what is the point, exactly? To make a slow car look good?

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

The point of aero is to enable faster speeds with more control at those speeds. So what is the point, exactly? To make a slow car look good?

Of course, like most of this stuff on +90% of the cars you see around you. You honestly believe that spoilers, deflectors and defussors are all functional?

Well, I never did. It already existed in the 1980's when they put it on 1.5l cars with 85hp to make them stand out for the versions with 70hp. Etrapolate to today, even on a G8x a spoiler or diffusor is there for make believe.

The best it can do is reduce some dragg, and in the case of this 530e, it's welcome to improve mpg (at low speeds ).

[KoenG]

ps, I wouldn't do it on my 530e because I prefer a more 'sleeper' look, but I appreciate that some of us dare to opt for a more adventurous style. Here, it all combines to a fruitful peach of a G60 that I can really admire!

Is it functional? Of course it isn't.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Of course, like most of this stuff on +90% of the cars you see around you. You honestly believe that spoilers, deflectors and defussors are all functional?

Well, I never did. It already existed in the 1980's when they put it on 1.5l cars with 85hp to make them stand out for the versions with 70hp. Etrapolate to today, even on a G8x a spoiler or diffusor is there for make believe.

The best it can do is reduce some dragg, and in the case of this 530e, it's welcome to improve mpg (at low speeds ).

Well, glad someone saved 0.2 mpg - what’s the ROI?

And while I don’t think aero on crappy cars is all that useful at safe, speed limit velocities, I do believe aero on M cars and P cars is mostly useful and helpful at high speeds.

I’ll never forget the lack of such aero on my e550 merc in those times when it was sorely needed. The lack of downforce and the lift at high speed were downright scary.

I highly doubt this 530e will need this stuff.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Well, glad someone saved 0.2 mpg - what’s the ROI?

And while I don’t think aero on crappy cars is all that useful at safe, speed limit velocities, I do believe aero on M cars and P cars is mostly useful and helpful at high speeds.

I’ll never forget the lack of such aero on my e550 merc in those times when it was sorely needed. The lack of downforce and the lift at high speed were downright scary.

I highly doubt this 530e will need this stuff.

it will not need it, the G60 is so good, it makes it redundant. But the idea that an extra diffusor on the e550 would make a lot of difference I dare to challenge. +90% is in the overall design of the car, the spoilers on less than super/hyper cars are mostly just there for the visual joy of it or to compensate for inferiour aero design.

Not to offend you, but do you remember (when you have this age) cars like Ford Sierra XR4is?


Well, hardly 160hp and maxed at 130mph, but we were all convinced in the late 80's that the double wing kept us from dying while actually, the entire car aero was crap all together.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Aha!

Might have found the right color to use to Autoflex my G87!

Was thinking about Aventurine, but this looks great 👍.

M2 would look really good in this color. I'd do the black wheels with blue calipers if I could have ordered this color

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by KoenG

it will not need it, the G60 is so good, it makes it redundant. But the idea that an extra diffusor on the e550 would make a lot of difference I dare to challenge. +90% is in the overall design of the car, the spoilers on less than super/hyper cars are mostly just there for the visual joy of it or to compensate for inferiour aero design.

Not to offend you, but do you remember (when you have this age) cars like Ford Sierra XR4is?


Well, hardly 160hp and maxed at 130mph, but we were all convinced in the late 80's that the double wing kept us from dying while actually, the entire car aero was crap all together.

Well, I don’t know about that POS. But here’s an interesting story:

“In 1999 Audi TT ran into trouble with their high speed stability on the new TTQuatro. After several deaths in Europe, when drivers span off the road at 100mph, Audi installed the little spoilers on the trunk of the post-2000 TT's, and retrofitted older cars, which fixed the problem.”

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-spoilers.html

[Blue Angel]

Small spoilers can make significant changes to high speed stability and/or balance. Problem is, nearly all aftermarket aero bits are not wind tunnel tested so they may do more harm than good.

If the car doesn’t go fast enough to warrant them then they’re 100% cosmetic.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

Well, glad someone saved 0.2 mpg - what’s the ROI?

And while I don’t think aero on crappy cars is all that useful at safe, speed limit velocities, I do believe aero on M cars and P cars is mostly useful and helpful at high speeds.

I’ll never forget the lack of such aero on my e550 merc in those times when it was sorely needed. The lack of downforce and the lift at high speed were downright scary.

I highly doubt this 530e will need this stuff.

A 5-series is a crappy car now. That’s new… coming from a 3-series owner. Strange.

Cosmetic bits make the car look sportier. Isn’t that why you put that carbon spoiler on the trunk of your car?
You believe you get anything other than looks just because it’s an M car?

BMW Marketing wins.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by M2siast

A 5-series is a crappy car now. That’s new… coming from a 3-series owner. Strange.

Cosmetic bits make the car look sportier. Isn’t that why you put that carbon spoiler on the trunk of your car?
You believe you get anything other than looks just because it’s an M car?

BMW Marketing wins.

That spoiler is clutch at 120 mph

[Limegrntaln]

Good looking car. As much as Brooklyn Gray is overdone, this car would look great in BG.

[GOLFFRR]

super clean. great pics also

[D52M550]

Yes, all that stuff isn’t making it faster or necessarily has any additional aerodynamic benefits, BUT looks sell and that car looks badass. I, too wish we still had a 550 V8 version, but the owner didn’t get all that stuff put on for performance, people: he did it for the looks! And to me, it’s the best looking G60 to date. Congratulations on your new car!

[KoenG]

[QUOTE=Bimmerfun82;30935067]Well, I don’t know about that POS. But here’s an interesting story:

“In 1999 Audi TT ran into trouble with their high speed stability on the new TTQuatro. After several deaths in Europe, when drivers span off the road at 100mph, Audi installed the little spoilers on the trunk of the post-2000 TT's, and retrofitted older cars, which fixed the problem.”



Yes, I do very vividly remember this problem back then with the TT even when not being such a fast car. When you know the car and understands how an airplane wing works, you'll understand. Basically the design of the car generated massive uplift (bad design actually, still don't understand how audi let this pass into production).

The spoiler they had to add was not a spoiler generating down force like an inverted wing, but served for breaking the flow over the car and reducing the speed of the airflow over the car (more an oversized lip spoiler). Less speed generates more pressure, but also much more dragg.

All later generations no longer needed this trick to remain planted also at higher speeds. And without it, they regained their efficiency and topspeed.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Yes, I do very vividly remember this problem back then with the TT even when not being such a fast car. When you know the car and understands how an airplane wing works, you'll understand. Basically the design of the car generated massive uplift (bad design actually, still don't understand how audi let this pass into production).

The spoiler they had to add was not a spoiler generating down force like an inverted wing, but served for breaking the flow over the car and reducing the speed of the airflow over the car (more an oversized lip spoiler). Less speed generates more pressure, but also much more dragg.

All later generations no longer needed this trick to remain planted also at higher speeds. And without it, they regained their efficiency and topspeed.

Aren’t those one-in-the-same? Bernoulli’s theorem applies in both situations.

[Bob in IL]

Originally Posted by KoenG

it will not need it, the G60 is so good, it makes it redundant. But the idea that an extra diffusor on the e550 would make a lot of difference I dare to challenge. +90% is in the overall design of the car, the spoilers on less than super/hyper cars are mostly just there for the visual joy of it or to compensate for inferiour aero design.

Not to offend you, but do you remember (when you have this age) cars like Ford Sierra XR4is?


Well, hardly 160hp and maxed at 130mph, but we were all convinced in the late 80's that the double wing kept us from dying while actually, the entire car aero was crap all together.

LOL. I owned one of these in 1985 which was marketed in the U.S. as a Merkur XR4Ti and sold through Lincoln dealers. It was discontinued after about 3 or 4 years. I took a big hit when I traded it in. For the time it was just OK but nothing really special.

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

“In 1999 Audi TT ran into trouble with their high speed stability on the new TTQuatro. After several deaths in Europe, when drivers span off the road at 100mph, Audi installed the little spoilers on the trunk of the post-2000 TT's, and retrofitted older cars, which fixed the problem.”

Am I the only one who sees the car's face on the rear? It looks like it has "googly" eyes and a flat mouth. LOL

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by SkykingUSA

Am I the only one who sees the car's face on the rear? It looks like it has "googly" eyes and a flat mouth. LOL

The TT? Are you on ‘shrooms?

[SkykingUSA]

Originally Posted by Bimmerfun82

The TT? Are you on ‘shrooms?

I suppose if there was a license plate on the back, I wouldn't see the face.

[Bimmerfun82]

Originally Posted by SkykingUSA

I suppose if there was a license plate on the back, I wouldn't see the face.

It does look like a cartoon!

[JoeAyalaM]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Anything but stock roundels are tacky as fuck.

I don’t find fuck tacky, unless you do fuck an ugly woman just the sake of it.