[venom21]

Originally Posted by TEGRITY

It was more a jovial comment. For my tastes, V8 options, no hybrid, less computerised cockpit, iDrive 6 or 7 with a proper Instrument cluster with no iPads as my screen, solid buttons to press and engage, DRLs (front) that help you recognise thats a good looking
BMW headed your way from a mile away and a few other personal preferences...

New, more sophisticated and more technology doesnt always mean better IMO. Its like a marriage, for some it will work. For some, it will not and theres always the cat on the wall section of people too.

You might as well give up on getting a new car then and buy used from now on. Every carmaker is going in this direction.

[TEGRITY]

Originally Posted by venom21

You might as well give up on getting a new car then and buy used from now on. Every carmaker is going in this direction.

Sure, why not. I dont lease but buy so makes sense for me to keep a car that I love and look after it for long.

Doesnt mean I have to jump off the same cliff because everyone else is doing it. I can choose a different cliff.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Why? I don’t get this. Obviously the new one will be leaps and bounds better in every way, just like 7 was.

Is your M340i with MHT?

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by TEGRITY

It was more a jovial comment. For my tastes, V8 options, no hybrid, less computerised cockpit, iDrive 6 or 7 with a proper Instrument cluster with no iPads as my screen, solid buttons to press and engage, DRLs (front) that help you recognise thats a good looking
BMW headed your way from a mile away and a few other personal preferences...

New, more sophisticated and more technology doesnt always mean better IMO. Its like a marriage, for some it will work. For some, it will not and theres always the cat on the wall section of people too.

I share the same thoughts. Certain commands should have stayed with buttons. The cheap LG screen should have been an option. I believe that the amount of info that I have in my cars is already enough for the purpose of this object which is A CAR not a tv.
Not lastly, the new technology proved to me that is actually a nightmare. Like the mild hybrid technology which adds weight, is stupid and costly. I wish I stay with my previous ones. The amount of care that is needed, plus all the stupid nannies on board makes them really annoying.

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Is your M340i with MHT?

Yes.

[MParallel]

The term "tease" is more affected by inflation than any monetary item in history of men kind.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

Yes.

Well, I guess that your drive it daily, because if you don’t that car is a pain to keep. The Li battery has its own cooling system, is very expensive, needs charging, which depletes the rear/trunk battery continuously. And, to put more shame on the cake, charging doesn’t work and BMW does not offer an official answer in regards to the problem that many have with this MHT.
Bottom line, you can not have such car as a toy. I am gone for a while, but I already started asking around to sell mine. I really like the carbut I don’t want something that every month needs to be charged via trunk and requires that kind of mainetnance. Sorry, for the money I want something good, reliable and trustworthy.
So no, new technology doesn’t necessary mean better.

[tsbrown]

Originally Posted by AP

I bet the illuminated grill is an option (let’s hope so!)

from the sticky https://g60.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...99&postcount=1 for G60:
"Notable features: interior with more glass and metal in the trim, Iconic Glow grows from a simple grille accent into a complete "package", ..."
so I'm guessing/hoping it will be part of optional lighting package that I can opt out of or code out.

Already told my CA I'm waiting for the G60 540i to replace my G30 540i but may consider the M560e. Was considering the M5 touring but really disliked the XM I drove at M Town Tour which uses the same drivetrain.

[AP]

Yeh cars are getting far too gimmicky now
I think they pretty much got close to perfection for the f10 and more so the g30

Ergonomics better but the g60 is looking to have too much that on the surface seems to please people when you dig into how it really works, it’s not actually better
Ie
Idrive 8 or later with physical buttons
Touch screen is not the ideal control when driving , you have to look away from the road, refocus your eyes potentially navigate around the menus

Flat bottom steering wheel
C’mon that flat bottom bit serves no purposes and actually makes it worse to feed through your hands
The steering wheel , emphasis on wheel is best , proven to work over more than a hundred years

Personally I find this stuff quite frankly pathetic and just churn to produce something new that can be sold

Not saying that the g60 is a bad car, no doubt it will be great but the above items are in my book, backward step

[jphcbpa]

I am interested in either the m560e or M5 wagon. Both have SOP in second half of 2024

[AP]

I think the level 3 semi autonomous stuff debuts in 2024 as well so my guess is to wait for 12 months to pass as I suspect the full range of engines and options should be available by then

Having bought a f10 and g30 previously I’ve noticed that the full list of options is certainly not available day 1 and it takes a couple do cycles before everything geared up
Previously bmw seem to refresh every 6 months

So if it were me I’d wait for the second model year at earliest before ordering

[arkhi]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

...hoping it will be part of optional lighting package that I can opt out of or code out..

Good luck with that. Lookover the iX forums. The new modules are cloud-based, so coding is impossible short of either hacking BMW, insider leaking files, or reverse-engineering the modules themselves.

[BMW012]

Originally Posted by tsbrown

from the sticky https://g60.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...99&postcount=1 for G60:
"Notable features: interior with more glass and metal in the trim, Iconic Glow grows from a simple grille accent into a complete "package", ..."
so I'm guessing/hoping it will be part of optional lighting package that I can opt out of or code out.

Already told my CA I'm waiting for the G60 540i to replace my G30 540i but may consider the M560e. Was considering the M5 touring but really disliked the XM I drove at M Town Tour which uses the same drivetrain.

if heated steering is an option, i can bet a lighting up grill is something you have to pay for.

[jphcbpa]

[QUOTE=tsbrown;30099098]from the sticky https://g60.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...99&postcount=1 for G60:
"Notable features: interior with more glass and metal in the trim, Iconic Glow grows from a simple grille accent into a complete "package", ..."
so I'm guessing/hoping it will be part of optional lighting package that I can opt out of or code out.

Already told my CA I'm waiting for the G60 540i to replace my G30 540i but may consider the M560e. Was considering the M5 touring but really disliked the XM I drove at M Town Tour which uses the same drivetrain.

Surely it will feel different and better in an m5 wagon ?!?

[Cortexiphan]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Well, I guess that your drive it daily, because if you don’t that car is a pain to keep. The Li battery has its own cooling system, is very expensive, needs charging, which depletes the rear/trunk battery continuously. And, to put more shame on the cake, charging doesn’t work and BMW does not offer an official answer in regards to the problem that many have with this MHT.
Bottom line, you can not have such car as a toy. I am gone for a while, but I already started asking around to sell mine. I really like the carbut I don’t want something that every month needs to be charged via trunk and requires that kind of mainetnance. Sorry, for the money I want something good, reliable and trustworthy.
So no, new technology doesn’t necessary mean better.

I never had any issue. And so far, every new BMW I had has been better than the previous one, except for F80, which is my least favorite among BMWs I had.
Newer ones drive better, and they're more reliable. We're in the absolute golden age of BMW. F-series years were the only era of decline.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by Cortexiphan

I never had any issue. And so far, every new BMW I had has been better than the previous one, except for F80, which is my least favorite among BMWs I had.
Newer ones drive better, and they're more reliable. We're in the absolute golden age of BMW. F-series years were the only era of decline.

As mentioned before, the new BMWs with MHT are crap. Glad i still have a 2012 that is simple and reliable. However, even that one "works on something" 20 minutes after it was parked in the garage. I have two 2021 BMW's and both eat power like is no tomorrow. These new cars cannot be kept as toys. Reminds me of my Honda that was not charged ever and was used in the summer only and the battery was at 80% after 8 months of storage with no charging...

https://g60.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1884955

https://g05.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1786709

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1779237

[JK479]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I agree...in stress buttons and knobs with different feel and colors win every time.

Hopefully getting a car with a 32inch tv stops in the next few years

But we can revolt- keep older cars. Or start to adopt and adapt. I recall during the e90 years - people could chose idrive or go without Nav and Idrive. People had a choice then on lower end models.

Lol- it’s going to be hard to top 32 inch tvs! But they will

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by JK479

But we can revolt- keep older cars. Or start to adopt and adapt. I recall during the e90 years - people could chose idrive or go without Nav and Idrive. People had a choice then on lower end models.

Lol- it’s going to be hard to top 32 inch tvs! But they will

Agree

[JK479]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Agree

Do you have the f series? Or jumping to this new G?

I’m thinking of selling my Porsche 911 manual for one. Huge change. Just wondering if I should look at the OG M2 since it will feel more analog like my 997.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by JK479

Do you have the f series? Or jumping to this new G?

I’m thinking of selling my Porsche 911 manual for one. Huge change. Just wondering if I should look at the OG M2 since it will feel more analog like my 997.

Had a F80, then a F90, and now a G80.

You need to drive them all back to back...

Can't get much analog than a 997

[JK479]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Had a F80, then a F90, and now a G80.

You need to drive them all back to back...

Can't get much analog than a 997

I’ve had a lot of new 911’s and Boxsters. But I sought out the 997 as a weekend cruiser for that hydraulic steering, precise manual.

I know the G series is sort of the pinnacle of BMW’s m cars at the moment. No one wants to say it- but they were able to take the next step in that overall package.

Probably doesn’t compare but the Boxster/ Cayman cars with the 6 cylinder were also the superior cars from Porsche. Their decision to eliminate the 6 cylinder expect for Spyder and GT4 cost them a sale. I want sporty and not harsh. M2 is that equation perfected. I don’t care if the car is 3800 lbs- its comfortable.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by JK479

I’ve had a lot of new 911’s and Boxsters. But I sought out the 997 as a weekend cruiser for that hydraulic steering, precise manual.

I know the G series is sort of the pinnacle of BMW’s m cars at the moment. No one wants to say it- but they were able to take the next step in that overall package.

Probably doesn’t compare but the Boxster/ Cayman cars with the 6 cylinder were also the superior cars from Porsche. Their decision to eliminate the 6 cylinder expect for Spyder and GT4 cost them a sale. I want sporty and not harsh. M2 is that equation perfected. I don’t care if the car is 3800 lbs- its comfortable.

The G is a good balance... If they could get the steering feel to be hydraulic in feel to the late 90s,2000s feel they would have a home run.

The tech and looks are subjective