[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Again, with the situational awareness...

Hey, I’m not a bmw owner

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

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Lol, Idk how you interpreted the words “very soon” but I haven’t received my car yet. I’m not a BMW owner

Once I do receive it, I will join the ranks of Big Mouth Wankers

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by fcman

Lol, Idk how you interpreted the words “very soon” but I haven’t received my car yet. I’m not a BMW owner

Once I do receive it, I will join the ranks of Big Mouth Wankers

You're already a Big Mouth Wanker.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Dude, you literally argue like child; it's an observation.

An incorrect one. My bad, I didn’t realize child-level arguments were too advanced for you, should I try toddler? I have one so I’m pretty comfortable at that level as well

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Figured you bastards would love this Tesla joke:

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

No need, I'm sure you are well practiced at toddler as well.

All good, just trying to find an equitable solution.

[Car-Addicted]

Another tale of EV Woe

Man forced to ditch Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago: ‘biggest scam of modern times’

Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F-150 Lightning EV in January for $115,000 Canadian dollars (around $85,000 U.S. dollars), plus tax. Ford said the Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price (MSRP) on the vehicle is $77,495 U.S. dollars.

The vehicle compelled him to install two chargers – one at work and one at home – for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to upgrade his home’s electric panel for $6,000.

In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 – plus tax.

Fast charging stations – which only charge EV’s up to 90% – cost more than gas for the same mileage. On the family’s first stop in Fargo, North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and rented a regular gasoline-powered vehicle to complete the family’s trip to Chicago.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...m-modern-times

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Sad that the average person believes the reputation of EVs are good for the Planet's climate, and believes the hype while expecting the Government to help him make an informed buying decision.

Agreed but I think the word is getting out, no matter how hard the government and their pet news media try to do the "Nothing to see here, move along". The damage we are doing to the environment and our economies and to individual personal wealth in the process really pisses me off. Sadly no one will be held accountable.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I think most market buyers are rather intelligent and have done the math. While the industry average transaction price apparently is $48.5K, a lot of people buy $30,000 to $40,000 cars. $60K EV are just simply too a steep price to ask for a vehicle that in all respects does not match a comparable ICE vehicle. The EV makers can hype 80% range recovery in 25 minutes all they want, but 80% of 250 miles is less than half the range a typic ICE car has on a full 16-gallon tank. Add on if someone can have at-home charging that's a $2,500 install hit for a level-2 charger, which is nearly 2 years of free travel in an ICE.

But the industry lure is the magic solid-state 900-mile battery with a 15-minute recharge capability. Governments and industry (because they are forced to make EV by Government) will keep hanging the ion-carrot in front of the public, who they think are stupid.

And what percentage of consumers never buys new because of cost. I've only ever bought 1 new car, I'd rather someone else pay the depreciation but I suspect a lot of folks simply can't afford new. And given the issues with EV I suspect they wouldn't buy a used EV either. I think the market for used ICE will be interesting moving forward as more people hand onto them rather than being forced into an EV.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I think most market buyers are rather intelligent and have done the math.

Have you been to the grocery store lately? The number of idiots all masked up leaves me little hope for intelligence. If I was Tesla I would go to the grocery stores and hand out sales flyers to all the masked idiots. Here's your sign.

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But the industry lure is the magic solid-state 900-mile battery with a 15-minute recharge capability. Governments and industry (because they are forced to make EV by Government) will keep hanging the ion-carrot in front of the public, who they think are stupid.

The Solid-State 900-mile battery, The holy grail for the EV industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmGq6-e6vLI

Won't China be

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Obviously a reach on your part, since I prefer to have discussions with adults.

Listen, in all seriousness, I'll be the more mature person here and cease the tit for tat shit. I'm sure the other members contributing to the thread have grown tiresome of the banter. I'd prefer to discuss the topic of the thread, which is EV.

Not sure it counts as "being the more mature person" to stop a shit slinging competition that you started, but agreed

[M5Rick]

Tes claim that their interiors are protected from fire, this chap had to break a window to get out when his one shut off and ignited.

[MJBO]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...m-modern-times

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and rented a regular gasoline-powered vehicle to complete the family’s trip to Chicago. The family picked up the F-150 Lightning on their way back to Winnipeg.

"It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can’t take it to my lake cabin. I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city – biggest scam of modern times."
Bala told FOX Business he believes the government needs to do more to "provide consumers with the right information."

"People have to make the right choices. I want to tell everybody to read my story," he said. "Do your research before even thinking about it and make a wiser choice."

"The actual thing they promised is not even close. Not even 50%. And once you buy it, you're stuck with it and you have to carry huge losses to get rid of that. And nobody is there to help you."

It's amazing how little research some people do when choosing a vehicle, whether it's an EV or regular ICE.

It sounds like all the research this guy did was to read the Ford brochure.

[M5Rick]

Home destroyed by a '23 Merc eq loaner while it wasn't even charging.

''I wish I never brought this car home''

[M5Rick]

^ We can see the doors, hood and front fenders are alloy for this vehicle and melted in the intense fire.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Ever notice the color of the burned Tesla fenders match the color of the sides of the hulls the transport ships that burn up and sink carrying EV?

As you mention ships this happened in Newark port, it's bad with two deaths.

[wind_rose_2]

I had gone out to test drive the X5 Hybrid but the salesman that had it was not in that day so l took out the gas only version.....SOLD! I want to thank the salesman who took the day off.

[Car-Addicted]

Remember these:

Ford 100: Defective Pinto almost took Ford's reputation with it
Remember the Pinto? It was one of the industry's hottest-selling subcompacts during the 1970s. Its success enhanced the reputation of Lee Iacocca - until an estimated 500 deaths and hundreds of injuries were linked to a faulty design that made the gasoline tank vulnerable to explosion after rear-end collisions.
It was too late to save Ford's reputation. Ford customers filed 117 lawsuits, according to Peter Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca. A 1979 landmark case, Indiana vs. Ford Motor Co., made the automaker the first U.S. corporation indicted and prosecuted on criminal homicide charges.
Pinto crashes caused the death and mutilation of 900 occupants after their cars burst into flames after rear-end collisions, according to Wyden in The Unknown Iacocca.
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a20990...reputation-it/

History of the GM Side Saddle Gas Tank Defect
The side saddle fuel tank design installed in over 10 million trucks – all 1973-87 General Motors full-size pickups and cab-chassis trucks (pickups without beds) and some 1988-91 dual cab or RV chassis – is the worst auto crash fire defect in the history of the U.S. Department of Transportation. Based on data from the Fatality Analysis Reporting System (formerly known as the Fatal Accident Reporting System), over 2,000 people were killed in fire crashes involving these trucks from 1973 through 2009. (Attachment A is a list of fatal C/K fire crashes by state since 1993.) This is more than twenty times as many fatalities as in the infamous Ford Pinto.
https://www.autosafety.org/history-g...s-tank-defect/

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

I have to go down to the big city to see mask wearers. Out where I live, our county had a total of 0.35% deaths by population from COVID and not a lot of Tesla's. Maybe there is a correlation there...

Careful they are like locusts, you think you have them bottled up in the cities and college towns and before you know it they are your neighbors.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Just wanted to set the record straight. Not a flame (pun intended) on what you posted.

Got you

I guess I could have made my point in the two articles more transparent. The point was that these issues were in the news and they both attributed to both companies losing market share and legal resolutions. How many cars and homes have to be destroyed and how many lives lost before this EV insanity joins the Pinto and GM Pick up side tanks on the ash heap of bad ideas.

[Car-Addicted]

I predict this will be a trend. Lets see if EV owners like being tracked by big government as much as they liked the government EV rebate hand out?

Utah and Oregon Now Require GPS Trackers on EVs in Lieu of Registration Fee, Tax Drivers by the Mile
For a little added Orwellianism, the DriveSync® app also assigns a “driving score” based on how fast the slave citizen accelerates, brakes, corners turns, and drives. The app records bad driving behavior and shows it to the slave citizen on a digital map.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...recip=29326568

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7to_NVK9PPI&t=5s
I might have to get one of these to see how bad a score I could rack up?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

As the former owner of 4 Pintos from 1978 thru 1989, I have to defend the car, because it got a bad reputation as a fire death trap from none other than Ralph Nader and his Center for Auto Safety and the political-left leaning Mother Jones magazine. Wikipedia has a great writeup on the actual Pinto fire topic if anyone is interested in the truth. Well prior to the invention of the commercial internet, the Washington Post circa 1982 published a similar summary of the Pinto fire story, which I read in the newspaper on the day it was published.

Some summary information from Wikipedia:

"Retrospective safety analysis:

A Rutgers Law Review article by former UCLA law professor Gary T. Schwartz (see Section 7.3 NHTSA Investigation above), examined the fatality rates of the Pinto and several other small cars of the time period. He noted that fires, and rear-end fires, in particular, are a very small portion of overall auto fatalities. At the time only 1% of automobile crashes would result in fire and only 4% of fatal accidents involved fire, and only 15% of fatal fire crashes are the result of rear-end collisions. When considering the overall safety of the Pinto, subcompact cars as a class had a generally higher fatality risk. Pintos represented 1.9% of all cars on the road in the 1975–76 period. During that time, the car represented 1.9% of all "fatal accidents accompanied by some fire". This implies the Pinto was average for all cars and slightly above average for its class. When all types of fatalities are considered, the Pinto was approximately even with the AMC Gremlin, Chevrolet Vega, and Datsun 510. It was significantly better than the Datsun 1200/210, Toyota Corolla, and VW Beetle. The safety record of the car in terms of fire was average or slightly below average for compacts, and all cars respectively. This was considered respectable for a subcompact car. Only when considering the narrow subset of a rear impact, fire fatalities for the car were somewhat worse than the average for subcompact cars. While acknowledging this is an important legal point, Schwartz rejected the portrayal of the car as a firetrap."

"The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) ultimately directed Ford to recall the Pinto. Initially, the NHTSA did not feel there was sufficient evidence to demand a recall due to incidents of fire. The NHTSA investigation found that 27 deaths were found to have occurred between 1970 and mid-1977 in rear-impact crashes that resulted in a fire. The NHTSA did not indicate if these impacts would have been survivable absent fire or if the impacts were more severe than even a state-of-the-art (for 1977) fuel system could have withstood. In their analysis of the social factors affecting the NHTSA's actions, Lee and Ermann note that 27 is the same number of deaths attributed to a Pinto transmission problem which contributed to collisions after the affected cars stalled. They also note that the NHTSA had two primary incentives in proving a defect existed in the Pinto's fuel system design. The administration was pressured by safety advocates (Center for Auto Safety) as well as the public response. It was also being forced into action due to the ways in which both the courts and executive branch were limiting the ability of the NHTSA to address systematic auto safety issues."

Just wanted to set the record straight. Not a flame (pun intended) on what you posted.

Now regarding the Chevy CK fuel tank. Google NBC and the model rocket motor coverup. Journalism...

Not safety related this but I was jokingly thinking the AMC Pacer was based on the rear end of a Jensen Interceptor they tried to match but it went horribly wrong.. it's the champagne talking now.