[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

EV? No way for this woman who handed it back.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...les-clock.html

Definitely room for improvement on charging infrastructure in most markets.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

EV? No way for this woman who handed it back.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...les-clock.html

Okay to be Green... except for her because it's an inconvenient truth...

[allinon72]

At this point, for any honest discussion about EVs, you have to disconnect the environmental component. I'm fine if folks believe in saving the environment, but if you honestly believe that electric cars accomplish that, it's kind of just a sign you're an idiot/propaganda follower.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by allinon72

At this point, for any honest discussion about EVs, you have to disconnect the environmental component. I'm fine if folks believe in saving the environment, but if you honestly believe that electric cars accomplish that, it's kind of just a sign you're an idiot/propaganda follower.

Cue the apologists blaming the apprehensive ones for letting perfect be the enemy of good. It’s like there’s no ramifications beyond the projected environmental ones if this EV bet doesn’t pan out.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Okay to be Green... except for her because it's an inconvenient truth...

Sure . While she has handed her EV back to stop her hair falling out with worry her comment that 'electric is the future' is misconstrued.
Electricity prices are rising through the roof, so much so that in my search for a new house I have backed out of one which was at first seemingly a great deal until I discovered it had just electric under floor heating on the concrete floors I have had to let that one go.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Definitely room for improvement on charging infrastructure in most markets.

Not going to happen in UK.

[Car-Addicted]

More things that should make you go Hmmmm...

Siemens Energy shares plunge more than 37% as wind turbine worries deepen

The company, born from the spinoff of the former gas and power division of German conglomerate Siemens, announced late Thursday that a review of issues at subsidiary Siemens Gamesa had found a “substantial increase in failure rates of wind turbine components.”

Siemens Energy CEO Christian Bruch told journalists on a call Friday that “too much had been swept under the carpet” at Siemens Gamesa and that the quality issues were “more severe than [he] thought possible,” according to Reuters.

Siemens Energy estimates that component failures may be occurring in between 15% and 30% of its installed fleet of turbines, but Green noted that there is still a “slight question mark about where that liability ends.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/23/siem...es-deepen.html

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Green noted that there is still a “slight question mark about where that liability ends.”

Anyone want to guess that the "Liabilty" will end with the tax payers?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Anyone want to guess that the "Liability" will end with the tax payers?

Trying to save the planet is a very expensive proposition.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Trying to save the planet is a very profitable proposition.

Ftfy

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by allinon72

At this point, for any honest discussion about EVs, you have to disconnect the environmental component. I'm fine if folks believe in saving the environment, but if you honestly believe that electric cars accomplish that, it's kind of just a sign you're an idiot/propaganda follower.

I've noticed the more "advanced" car builders in this space i.e. Tesla are actually slowly even moving away from this thinking because they may have figured out there are better ways to get more sales.

Their selling motto now is the stupid auto driving, dumb tech features and overall performance of the cars. There really hasn't been any increase in range nor much talk about any Eco or Environmental savings from there for a while. In fact, if you look at their website, the only place that even comes into play are the tax credits and some number on how much money could be saved vs driving a gas car... maybe they realized selling 100s of thousands of Ev's is a poor way to go about bringing a car that is to save the planet.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Not going to happen in UK.

Saw this. https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...23-2023-04-27/

That seems to be encouraging. You live there. Is there a reason you don't think this will happen?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Saw this. https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...23-2023-04-27/

That seems to be encouraging. You live there. Is there a reason you don't think this will happen?

Simple, because the electricity supply will be unsustainable. There are problems even now without adding to it and the fast rising price of electricity (note my post with regards to house purchase) as well as the supply is already strain on the electrical generation from substations. The impact on the next generations will be bad financially which they are walking into without much thought.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Simple, because the electricity supply will be unsustainable. There are problems even now without adding to it and the fast rising price of electricity (note my post with regards to house purchase) as well as the supply is already strain on the electrical generation from substations. The impact on the next generations will be bad financially which they are walking into without much thought.

Ontario has just announced that it will be spending $400B to build a new nuclear plant to keep up with the increasing demand for electricity to power EV's. The problem is it will take at least a decade and maybe more and will probably cost double because in Canada government can't do anything on time and on budget. Then there is the issue of who pays. We all know it's the taxpayer and the user of hydro (also the taxpayer). We pay among the highest electricity prices in NA and this is going to drive those prices up higher. Not sure driving an EV is going to remain cost effective in my life time.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Simple, because the electricity supply will be unsustainable. There are problems even now without adding to it and the fast rising price of electricity (note my post with regards to house purchase) as well as the supply is already strain on the electrical generation from substations. The impact on the next generations will be bad financially which they are walking into without much thought.

I’m concerned about the same issues here. Our administration is pressuring the off-lining of fossil fuel power plants while renewables lag and have issues with variable production. You can’t expand demand by around 30% and terminate production capability at the same time on artificial time scales.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ASAP

I've noticed the more "advanced" car builders in this space i.e. Tesla are actually slowly even moving away from this thinking because they may have figured out there are better ways to get more sales.

Their selling motto now is the stupid auto driving, dumb tech features and overall performance of the cars. There really hasn't been any increase in range nor much talk about any Eco or Environmental savings from there for a while. In fact, if you look at their website, the only place that even comes into play are the tax credits and some number on how much money could be saved vs driving a gas car... maybe they realized selling 100s of thousands of Ev's is a poor way to go about bringing a car that is to save the planet.

Uncle Sam is doing the enviro pitch for them.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I’m concerned about the same issues here. Our administration is pressuring the off-lining of fossil fuel power plants while renewables lag and have issues with variable production. You can’t expand demand by around 30% and terminate production capability at the same time on artificial time scales.

Sure, the big pitch is sustainable energy is cheaper than Nuke and Fossil fuels even though they only make juice about 40% of the time.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I’m concerned about the same issues here. Our administration is pressuring the off-lining of fossil fuel power plants while renewables lag and have issues with variable production. You can’t expand demand by around 30% and terminate production capability at the same time on artificial time scales.

They might be saying they are off lining plants but they are giving oil companies tons of money to restart units at the same time. So don’t believe what you read. It’s crazy to me. This push for EV’s has been so strong the last few years and come to find out after the Pandemic we need more gasonline than ever. Lol. I love it. Merica baby!!!!

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

They might be saying they are off lining plants but they are giving oil companies tons of money to restart units at the same time. So don’t believe what you read. It’s crazy to me. This push for EV’s has been so strong the last few years and come to find out after the Pandemic we need more gasonline than ever. Lol. I love it. Merica baby!!!!

Hoping that we manage our grid wisely for the increased demand.

[KRS_SN]

Scotty gets into the act..
https://youtu.be/vlx0Yd-w-OM

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

Scotty gets into the act..
https://youtu.be/vlx0Yd-w-OM

I was about to put this one on myself KRS, great minds think alike

[KRS_SN]

As a second car for local runs ev is fine. It will in the foreseeable future not reach range or cost parity with ice..with regards to grid.. when I plug in it at peak times tells me " could we postpone the charging as there is too much demand on the grid'. It's years from 2030. The infrastructure is not ready.