[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Rono63

Everyone is saying Lando was lucky with the SC. I don’t see it that way. If RB would have had a better setup or strategy Max could have stayed out like Lando did to pit under the SC. Whether setup or strategy McLaren out performed the RBs.

It maybe the only race that McLaren wins this year but for this race Lando had the best car and out drove Max(didn’t go off track and damage his car).

I’m a long time McLaren fan so maybe my perspective is skewed some but I’m very excited to see them competitive again.

MAX ran with too much wing at Miami . His topspeed was 309 km/h at the straight .
That was before MAX got the hole in his floor ...
Lando pulled there 330+ km/h . The McLaren was faster and Lando was faster at Miami .
It was a well deserved win for Lando !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Don't go confusing hammy's with truth.

Another truth? It takes an entire season to win the WDC. It's not solely decided in the last few laps of the last race. That or insider information and an additional 100hp.

Sure . LEW's rocket PU was 30 km/h faster at the straight .

That's why I said : If LEW wasn't so stupid with his brake magic nonsense ...
Useless to say that LEW had the stronger and faster car , but MAX was the better driver in the slower car !

Even a blind man would see that...

[Marcoose]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Wolff was so chicken to call LEW in for a new set of softs that he 5H1T in his pants .

Nah. The strategy was simple. Everybody knew how the rules applied until Masi added his one-off touch. The safety car was going to eat all remaining the laps, and sadly but sometimes that's how racing goes, the race and the championship were going to end behind the safety car.

Verstappen is extremely talented. He will win many more races and championships. Hopefully more than Hamilton. I'd love to see those records broken. But 2021 was Hamilton's.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Marcoose

Nah. The strategy was simple. Everybody knew how the rules applied until Masi added his one-off touch. The safety car was going to eat all remaining the laps, and sadly but sometimes that's how racing goes, the race and the championship were going to end behind the safety car.

Verstappen is extremely talented. He will win many more races and championships. Hopefully more than Hamilton. I'd love to see those records broken. But 2021 was Hamilton's.

Nah, MB assumed the race would end behind the safety car. They had no assurance the track couldn't be cleared in time. MB got it wrong and RB got lucky. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

[Killed by Death]

This photo is crying out for a caption
(Stolen from FakeBook)

[3798j]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Nah, MB assumed the race would end behind the safety car. They had no assurance the track couldn't be cleared in time. MB got it wrong and RB got lucky. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

And you say you're a Ferrari fan...Michael Masi chose to only allow those cars between leader Lewis Hamilton and second-placed Max Verstappen to be waved by.
Lapped cars behind Verstappen were told to stay put, including those that were between the Dutchman and third placed Carlos Sainz. Just point to a previous F1 race where the cars from third place back were made to take the green behind lapped cars. It was wrong.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by 3798j

And you say you're a Ferrari fan...Michael Masi chose to only allow those cars between leader Lewis Hamilton and second-placed Max Verstappen to be waved by.
Lapped cars behind Verstappen were told to stay put, including those that were between the Dutchman and third placed Carlos Sainz. Just point to a previous F1 race where the cars from third place back were made to take the green behind lapped cars. It was wrong.

I am a Ferrari fan but they weren't in the fight for WDC. My only real interest in this race was the battle between VER and HAM. Yes, I'm glad HAM lost.

But, Just because it never happened before doesn't mean it was wrong. Does anyone have the exact wording of the rule that was in place in 2021?

Wording of the new rule?

Masi had no ill intent. Plus, if there was NO gray area why did it need to be changed or clarified?

Since teams agreed to try and end under green flag conditions I think a red flag would have been best. But I seem to remember that wasn't an option under the regs

Anyway, this will never be settled, good night all.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Rono63

Everyone is saying Lando was lucky with the SC. I don’t see it that way. If RB would have had a better setup or strategy Max could have stayed out like Lando did to pit under the SC. Whether setup or strategy McLaren out performed the RBs.

It maybe the only race that McLaren wins this year but for this race Lando had the best car and out drove Max(didn’t go off track and damage his car).

I’m a long time McLaren fan so maybe my perspective is skewed some but I’m very excited to see them competitive again.

McLaren fan as well. Lando did a fantastic job, my opinion the second best driver on the grid. With that said the SC was very timely, I don't see Lando driving through field if the SC hadn't happened.

Apparently RB found a hole in Max's floor after the race. In slow-mo you can see the base of bollard that is bolted to the ground send pieces of carbon out the back of the RB. Horner said after the bollard incident, Max was losing 2 to 3 tenths in turn 1 every lap.

With that said, Max wasn't comfortable in the car all weekend. He made the mistake and the SC went Lando's way. Miami and Singapore seem to be RB's worst races all year. I hope these McLaren upgrades are the real deal and they can start challenging Ferrari for second in points.

[G30M]

meanwhile ...

[G30M]

Originally Posted by Rono63

Everyone is saying Lando was lucky with the SC. I don’t see it that way. .

to get ahead in life, it's always right place, right time, right skill. if that's not luck i don't know what is.

nobody is taking credit from Lando, but fact is he was lucky and Oscar wasn't.

[GuidoK]

But was it just luck? Lando did run very very long on those mediums....
You can increase your chances on luck

[M5Rick]

Luck or no luck Lando arrived at the tape 7 seconds sooner and MAX couldn't chase because of SC placings at that exact moment which fell into the lap of Lando, also dud hards with more possible damage from the kerb jumper, MAX was in fact even more fortunate that the slim bollard didn't slither into an air intake, why was it even there smack in the middle of the kerb turn.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

This photo is crying out for a caption
(Stolen from FakeBook)

Fred: ''I know who that is without looking'.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I am a Ferrari fan but they weren't in the fight for WDC. My only real interest in this race was the battle between VER and HAM. Yes, I'm glad HAM lost.

But, Just because it never happened before doesn't mean it was wrong. Does anyone have the exact wording of the rule that was in place in 2021?

Wording of the new rule?

Masi had no ill intent. Plus, if there was NO gray area why did it need to be changed or clarified?

Since teams agreed to try and end under green flag conditions I think a red flag would have been best. But I seem to remember that wasn't an option under the regs


Anyway, this will never be settled, good night all.

MAX 26, LAN 25 out of all that so onto Italy and the Enzo e Dino circuit.
Some say it is cursed but I went there once with my dad and nothing happened to me

[M5Rick]

I'd like to see that

[TheStoka]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX ran with too much wing at Miami . His topspeed was 309 km/h at the straight .
That was before MAX got the hole in his floor ...
Lando pulled there 330+ km/h . The McLaren was faster and Lando was faster at Miami .
It was a well deserved win for Lando !

Yeah think this is the most impressive part of that upgrade package. Mcl have struggled all year with top speed and vulnerability with DRS. This weekend had no issues compared to the field.
RB usually tend to run a lot more wing as there aerodynamic efficiency allows it, this package allowed Mcl to do something similar.

Sure Lando got lucky with the SC but it really comes down to Max made one little mistake (Which we have seen shockingly few of) and Lando had a flawless race.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Luck or no luck Lando arrived at the tape 7 seconds sooner and MAX couldn't chase because of SC placings at that exact moment which fell into the lap of Lando, also dud hards with more possible damage from the kerb jumper, MAX was in fact even more fortunate that the slim bollard didn't slither into an air intake, why was it even there smack in the middle of the kerb turn.

It was reportedly there to help drivers sight the curb

Hammy reported having trouble after Max took it out.

[Killed by Death]

Freddie

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

It was reportedly there to help drivers sight the curb

Hammy reported having trouble after Max took it out.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Freddie

Wore a Mac cap?

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Look at the size of the first RB car compared to the current one, am I the first here to say the FIA are being silly with their rules. The cars should be lighter and smaller than the current gargantuans.

Couldn't agree more. Current cars and regs are absolutely ridiculous. Someone needs to remind the FIA that Formula 1 isn't WEC, it's karting on steroids.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Wore a Mac cap?

Sucking up to their drivers. Might help when hammy turns into an epic failure.