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08-10-2023, 07:43 AM | #3524 |
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I’ve never had anyone mess with me in the Tesla nor have I seen any vandalism. People in trucks fucked with me far more in my flame spitting rx7 or my S2000. That said where I live there are 50 teslas to every lifted truck so that probably helps
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08-10-2023, 07:45 AM | #3525 |
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Hey now don’t try putting words in my mouth. But if you already have a military, maybe not a bad idea to provide some sort of financial justification
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Debunking Myths About Federal Oil & Gas Subsidies Now let’s analyze what the oil & gas sector pays in taxes. In 2012 the top two corporations paying federal taxes in the US were ExxonMobil and Chevron paying a combined total of $45.2 billion. On average, the industry pays a 45% tax rate when all state, federal, and foreign taxes are totaled up. By comparison the Healthcare Industry pays a total rate of 35% and the Pharmaceuticals pay an estimated rate of 21%. Based upon these numbers it’s hard to believe which business sector is criticized the most for “subsidies”. https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillin...h=6e21c2186e1c |
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Ok let me rephrase, I never said anything about subsidies or tax breaks.
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08-10-2023, 09:38 AM | #3531 |
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It goes so far beyond tax breaks and subsidies. Just one example is companies lease/sell their fields and equipment to progressively smaller oil companies as the profitability starts to diminish, eventually, the company holding the ball can no longer maintain the equipment or clean up the sites. Guess who foots the bill? We do. This exists on so many levels, where we pay and subsidize the industry and their production. Its naive to think otherwise.
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08-10-2023, 10:17 AM | #3534 |
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All this whatabout'ism to defend the EV adoption and al the problems that will come with it by pointing to the evil oil industry is just circular logic.
If doing these yucky things to prop up the oil industry is bad, and we acknowledge the EV industry is whatabouting it too, aren't we just agreeing with the others that say subsidizing, intervening, and whatever else you want to call it being done to prop up EV's is also yucky? It makes a full circle. EV's come with serious problems. ICE's come with serious problems. If a person says one is bad, and another says "oh yah, well the other is bad too", then no one disagrees, and they are both bad. To be clear what I mean so this doesn't go sideways: ICE is yucky because: Tax dollars are spent on the fuel supply side of the equation oil extraction is "environmentally bad" bad gasses enter the atmosphere in their operation. ICE is yucky because: Tax dollars are spent on the fuel supply side of the equation Rare earth and exotic metal extraction is "environmentally bad" bad gasses enter the atmosphere during their charge cycle. ICE was allowed to evolve on its own. EV has not, is not, and will not. Oil extraction gets government interventions paid by tax dollars. Most familiar with the English language consider this a subsidy. Call it whatever you want. Power generation and charging infrastructure gets government interventions paid by tax dollars. You ever hear of a public gas station paid for by the government? Most familiar with the English language consider this a subsidy. Call it whatever you want, most of us are likely to call it a subsidy. EV's themselves get further government interventions paid by tax dollars as literal subsidies< using the strictest and most definitive definition of the word. ICE's do not. (Except in some cases with Hybrids, which most of us think is great). |
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Not my fault that people predisposed to making logical fallacies seem to commit more than one. And just fyi. Ad hominem and straw man are types of logical fallacies lol Last edited by fcman; 08-10-2023 at 11:32 AM.. |
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It is very common to see an incorrect accusation of "moving the goalposts" after a straw man. Considering a strawman is, by definition, shooting at a different goal.
So I can see why it's easy to get confused Last edited by fcman; 08-10-2023 at 12:42 PM.. |
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First "Strawman" is not a strawman. lol Nor is it moving the goalposts. It's a rejection of a claim. The claim is "High mileage BMWs are common place. They literally have that reputation." A strawman would require me to post counter evidence of a similar but not equivalent claim (such as posting reliability reports instead of evidence of BMWs reputation ) NEXT. Here you miss the ad hominem logical fallacy Quote:
Again another rejection of the claim. Goalpost is still "provide evidence of BMW's reputation", there has been no evidence posted at this point (or to date lol) NEXT Quote:
Any more? Or is that all you got? Last edited by fcman; 08-10-2023 at 02:15 PM.. |
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